naeko.livejournal.com ([identity profile] naeko.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] lkh_lashouts2009-12-28 09:50 am

A mid-90s interview with Hamilton

I've been going through the old Lashouts entries and tagging blogflogs and fixing links (you may delete any comment notification emails you get titled "Link fix" as it's only me!). In the course of fixing links, I found this very old interview with Hamilton that brings to light just how long she's been saying the same stuff. Does the 70/30 rule sound familiar? It should! Hamilton's been telling us how it goes since at least '97!


Thrill of the hunt
By Corey Stulce, Lifestyle Editor
July 23, 1997

Some people are unaware that a license is required for vampire hunting in Laurel Hamilton's world.

It's true, though, vampire hunters must be licensed through the state, just as doctors and teachers are. They must also have a court order of execution, otherwise it's considered murder. It's really the only way to be civilized in her world.

"The Killing Dance" is the sixth novel author Laurel Hamilton has released starring her heroine ( and possible alter ego) Anita Blake. Blake is a vampire hunter, and in "Dance" she is dating both a master vampire and a werewolf. Confused? Well, it's all just a part of the vast world Hamilton has created for her characters, and it just happens to be smack dab in the middle of St. Louis.

Hamilton has taken a very original stab at the world of vampires taking away some of their mystery and making her main character a human.

"To my knowledge, I'm the only one who has a world where everyone knows that vampires and werewolves and zombies are real and you just have to deal with that," Hamilton said.


Anita Blake is mortal, but she also uses necromancy, which Hamilton describes as someone who has the power to raise the dead. "For Anita, though, it goes back to the old legend, that they [necromancers] have all power over the dead," Hamilton said. Since Hamilton writes her Anita Blake books in the first person, it is easy to assume that some of Hamilton might be in Anita and vice-versa.

"We were more alike when I started the series. Anita's voice is very much like mine. Her mannerisms and speech are very close to mine," Hamilton said.

"I get more like Anita as I write. I don't cuss [but she does], and after a book it takes me about six weeks to stop. And I have a two and-a-half year old, so I really have to work on that because she can pick it up," she said.

Hamilton started writing when she was very young, and was lucky enough to sell the first book she ever wrote. With "Dance" she recently made the USA Today's bestseller list.

This has opened up many new doors for Hamilton, but she's taking the whole thing in stride. "The readership has grown, so I'm getting to play with more people now, which is nice. I recently had a signing and there were actually people waiting in line...[Success] lets me know that I'll be able to write Anita for as long as I want," she said.

Hamilton has finished the seventh Anita Blake novel and is working on the eighth, so she has gotten her writing process down to a science.

When she finishes a novel, she either makes notes for the next or even writes the first chapter. "When I start a new book, I don't have a blank screen staring back at me," Hamilton said.

Hamilton has done tons of research for her novels in the past so now she only has to do minimal research when starting a new book. She has always written her books the same way and she advises new authors to try it.

"When I wrote my first book...[I learned] the biggest thing to do is don't rewrite as you go, just do it. It can be the biggest pile of crap you saw, and after you're done you can fix it. If it's not real, you can't fix it," Hamilton said.

"The Hamilton rule of first draft is, 70 percent of any first draft is garbage, and 30 percent is keeper. But, you'll never get that 30 percent without the garbage," she said.

Hamilton writes with a lot of physical detail and paints the reader a very vivid picture of what characters and locations look like.

"I'm very visually and character oriented," said Hamilton. "It really bugs me in books if I don't know what a character looks like. I start with a name, I'm very name oriented. Once I have the physical description and the name, I can tell a lot about them. A good main character attracts good secondary characters and attracts good plot. I'm a character-oriented writer. Everything comes from characters," she said.

With horror novels, fear and gore are going to come naturally, but Hamilton does not want gore to overshadow her stories.

"It has to be necessary gore, but it is in there. The best clue is the body at a murder scene, and they're pretty gory. It has to be necessary to the plot and necessary to the characters. Gore has to earn its place just like everything else in the book," Hamilton said.

She also discovered, doing research, that the things she was writing were not nearly as disturbing as some of the real things she was reading about.

"I could tell you some true crime stories that would scare you," Hamilton said. "Anytime I think what I'm doing is out there, and then I read what people are really doing, I'll think, 'I'll never top this.'"

With her new-found success, Hamilton is considering many things for the future. She has pondered about movies (her fans have even given her casting ideas) and comic books starring Anita Blake, but nothing is certain yet.

The only real certainty is that books starring Anita Blake will continue to surface.

"I have 15 more plots and each new book gives me ideas for more things," said Hamilton.

Apparently vampire hunting has become a very lucrative business.


Then, of course, [livejournal.com profile] dwg and I were talking about vampire hunting licenses and wondering exactly what's involved in getting one. Do you have to renew? Do you have to go have your eyesight checked periodically like with a driver license? Imagine if your eyes started to fail and you hammered a stake into the wrong corpse in the morgue? Or into the right corpse, but in the wrong place. You could be letting a vampire limp away with oak in his shin!

[identity profile] entheogeneric.livejournal.com 2009-12-28 05:58 pm (UTC)(link)

You know, it's funny to make fun of her...but it's also kinda sad. I really adored Anita when she was super awesome Anita (and I'm sure most of us did, otherwise we wouldn't be here)

anyway, blah blah. original. blah blah. first one. blah blah. I think Kim Harrison has done an amazing job of taking that idea of "everything out in the open" and putting her own spin on it.

[identity profile] entheogeneric.livejournal.com 2009-12-28 06:18 pm (UTC)(link)

Oh no, I totally dig. I've been here for a few years now (having wandered over from anita_blake_fans confused and frustrated that so many people were OMFG ILU LKH/ANITA! even after all the new shenanigans)

it's just always disappointing to remember how much it didn't all used to suck :(

[identity profile] ellenel13.livejournal.com 2009-12-28 06:20 pm (UTC)(link)
I sometimes wonder if I'm being too harsh on LKH. Sure, I don't think she's ever been the literary genius she makes herself out to be, but maybe I'm letting her general obnoxiousness color my interpretation of her books. I can't even enjoy the old ones anymore and I can't bring myself to buy the new ones even for mocking purposes.

[identity profile] ellenel13.livejournal.com 2009-12-28 06:40 pm (UTC)(link)
For me it's that I never really like Anita as a person. In the beginning, I could appreciate a main character that wasn't perfect and downright unlikeable and judgmental at times because I assumed that the author knew what she was doing. I thought Anita was sort of an Anti-hero. But when I started reading the blog, I realized that author fully agrees with and supports Anita's disturbing, judgmental behavior. I feel like I'm supposed to admire Anita, something I could not have done even before she became a rapist.

[identity profile] knowthyself.livejournal.com 2009-12-28 06:23 pm (UTC)(link)
It's a bit of a shame--the 70/30 notion itself really isn't bad advice. But she does say it every time as though it's brand new information.

[identity profile] dwg.livejournal.com 2009-12-28 07:33 pm (UTC)(link)
I think it is brand new information for some people. I'm cleaning up the facebook chat (http://community.livejournal.com/lkh_lashouts/515824.html) so it's more Q&A without the "OMG U LIKE ICECREAM TOO?" interjections between people, and working on collecting podcasts, and just...I have no idea how these people can call themselves fans. My experience with fans (of anything) tend to pay attention to the object of their fannish delight, and so know a thing or two about it. These people? Don't seem to know a thing about fandom, or what they're a fan of, because the questions they ask are nothing new, and usually can be answered with either a quick google search or just reading the blog.

I sit there and throw my hands up in frustration and try to refrain from answering tweets, because if I can find these things out for myself, then so can they.

So I want to believe that if people stopped asking the same things, maybe she'd stop replying with the same thing.

[identity profile] gator-grrrl.livejournal.com 2009-12-28 08:56 pm (UTC)(link)
It's true, many people ask her the same questions in the tweets, and she has the option of referring them to blogs that already contain the answers, but she obviously loves that attention.

On the other hand, when people ask her logical questions, hard questions, or those that require her to remember things from the books, she just ignores them. A good example of this is the recent q&A she did for B&N on Facebook.

[identity profile] dwg.livejournal.com 2009-12-28 09:16 pm (UTC)(link)
This is why I would dearly love to spend an afternoon with her where we get to sit down and talk about everything. It'll never happen, but it's a nice idea.

Yeah, that Q&A is what I'm working on to pull up blogs where she says the exact same things that anyone with half a would have already read. That chat is basically where my sneering disdain for fans really hit a new high.

[identity profile] gator-grrrl.livejournal.com 2009-12-28 08:51 pm (UTC)(link)
What makes it even worse is that she now claims the reverse is true for her writing, and has, at least once, claimed 90/10 for her current output, when it deserves to be described as 90% crap/10% gold-plated-over-plastic. I think her editors made her first 8 books as readable as they are.

[identity profile] icecreamempress.livejournal.com 2009-12-28 10:17 pm (UTC)(link)
"To my knowledge, I'm the only one who has a world where everyone knows that vampires and werewolves and zombies are real and you just have to deal with that," Hamilton said

This is either an indication of mendacity, or an indication of a lack of interest in reading, neither of which reflect well on a writer.

[identity profile] alex-lebeau.livejournal.com 2009-12-28 10:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I kind of face vaulted on that too. I can think of one series - by Christopher Golden - where the vampires and demons started out a secret, then became public knowledge. The first book may not have come out before hers, but still, it proves her wrong by three years (it came out in '94). Sins of the Blood by Kristine Kathryn Rusch came out the same time as the first Anita Blake, and had the twist of vampirism being recognized, but stakings being legal in only some states. Seriously, she really does live under a rock.

[identity profile] pisceanblue.livejournal.com 2009-12-29 05:31 am (UTC)(link)
And in 1991 (or '92 but I think it was '91) there was an anthology published titled Under The Fang which had as its' premise what if vampires ruled the world. So regardless of her ignorance, again, even back then she was touting that I PIONEERED THE GENRE nonsense.

[identity profile] icecreamempress.livejournal.com 2010-01-01 12:27 am (UTC)(link)
I am one of those writers who think that writers should read more than other people, even bookstore owners, because it's part of their job.

Not everyone agrees, but that's what I think. Not just about LKH, but about every writer, including myself.

[identity profile] magdalen77.livejournal.com 2009-12-28 11:43 pm (UTC)(link)
So back in '97 she claims that she's done "tons of research in the past so she only needs to do minimal research now". Doesn't it ever occur to her that police procedure, forensics, etc change over time? If she actually tried to keep up with things like that then we wouldn't have her pre-Skin Trade scrambling (and re-writing just as it was due) because she finally did a research trip to a morgue and realized "oh noes they use teh computers now!!!"

[identity profile] desert-vixen.livejournal.com 2009-12-29 02:18 am (UTC)(link)

Well, since so little time has gone by in Anita-land, she could be okay with the old stuff - IF she made the conscious effort to stay grounded in the time period. But that would require actually making the effort to stay in the time period.

DV

[identity profile] rodentfanatic.livejournal.com 2009-12-29 07:32 am (UTC)(link)
I was just stunned by how, wow, in that photo she really does look like an un-idealized Anita.

(Note: This is not intended as a bashing on her looks, it's just that she's a real person and the comic book Anita, who I'm comparing her to and who she, from what I know, had a strong hand in designing, is not, and is hyper-idealized like all comic book females.)

[identity profile] x-trickster-x.livejournal.com 2009-12-29 09:10 am (UTC)(link)
I was stunned by how pretty she looks in it, wow. XD

[identity profile] rodentfanatic.livejournal.com 2009-12-29 06:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Agreed. She looks alot nicer in this shot than other ones of her I've seen, all of which are more recent. I have to wonder if it's just as simple as oh, she was younger and younger people are perceived as prettier, or if she just wasn't doing horrible makeup (at least not that one can tell in no-color) or if it's because I've always just found black and white photographs automatically more beguiling than their color counterparts...but I honestly think it's because she doesn't like half as much of a self-important douche here, I really do. I swear, that sort of thing shows through!

[identity profile] x-trickster-x.livejournal.com 2009-12-29 06:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, no I totally get that it was more than ten years ago. I still think she could be very pretty but to go into that's a little too personal for my taste. I just think it's a very nice photo of her. =)

[identity profile] rodentfanatic.livejournal.com 2009-12-29 06:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, agreed on all counts, that's kinda what I should have said in the beginning. (I have this terrible tendency to get tl'dr, sorry D:)

[identity profile] x-trickster-x.livejournal.com 2009-12-29 06:44 pm (UTC)(link)
No worries. XD I totally agreed with you. Black and white photos manage to make EVERYONE look better, it's amazing.

[identity profile] deadsong.livejournal.com 2009-12-29 10:18 am (UTC)(link)
The first thing I noticed was the hair in the picture, and the direct parallel in style, shape, and texture to how they draw the hair on both Anita and Jean-Claude in the comics.

(How embarrassing--I almost typed Jean-Luc. Had to correct it. Been on a Star Trek binge lately.)

[identity profile] rodentfanatic.livejournal.com 2009-12-29 06:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, that was what really caught my attention, the hair! I have a hard time with faces, so that is, sadly, my prime way of recognizing and remembering people DX

[identity profile] rodentfanatic.livejournal.com 2009-12-29 06:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Considering how she's so clearly become an avatar of God Sue levels, that's really hilarious.

[identity profile] rodentfanatic.livejournal.com 2009-12-29 06:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Also, I am pretty sure that the whole 70/30 thing has been around for awhile, and I sure she did not make it up. it may well be a rule she writes by, but to me it keeps sound as if she (Hamilton's Rule, etc.) made it up.

[identity profile] alondra-del-sol.livejournal.com 2009-12-30 02:30 am (UTC)(link)
I don't like assigning numbers to the business, because this is art and not science, lol.

In all seriousness, I think it's rather an amateur approach to the idea of writing in general, because there is no automatic percentage going on. I think we do all have days where we feel like everything we wrote was golden or the reverse, but writer's don't routinely scrap seventy percent of the things they've written. I mean they could scrap seventy percent of imperfect words and phrases, but I doubt they scrap that much of the idea (assuming they decide to stick with said original idea and don't write to a place where they find they have to rework the plot entirely).

Writing is like archaeology ("I made no promises. Archeology is not an exact science. I only said conditions were favorable." Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark), it's a process of discovery. Sometimes a scientist knows precisely what he needs and the tools he needs to get there, and other times you are scraping around helplessly in the dirt until you get a clue and then move on from there.

I don't think it's so easily boiled down to numbers. Sometimes you have to write until you get to the place where you need to be, but I don't think that's always going to be seventy percent needed to there. There are so many things that writer's do that aren't even included in the conception of a novel in the way of pre-writing exercises to get to know characters. Is that part of the seventy percent? I just don't see how you can put a number to it.

John Gardener said for example that if he wanted to get to know two characters he'd put them in bed together even if that wasn't going to be part of the book, some writers have character sketches or lengthy character sheets, some have short stories that spurred on longer things (such is my case), and etc.

Anyway, I've rambled on now, but I just keep seeing this 70/30 thing and I think it's a load of crap. Even when you scrap something sometimes it shows up somewhere else later on. Just because it's not working for the story at hand doesn't mean it doesn't work at all. Writing is far more complex than simple percentages, and I don't think it's something that should be generalized like that. Otherwise people get caught up in well "seventy percent of this is going to be crap anyway so I shouldn't worry about trying too hard". You should never aim for the sub par.

Right, well... now that I've really rambled, I'll be shutting up now.