http://twilight-ashes.livejournal.com/ ([identity profile] twilight-ashes.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] lkh_lashouts2006-07-16 12:45 pm

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After finishing DM I decided that I needed to go back and try to remember WHY I liked the series in the first place. I decided to go for OB just because I can't remember what happened in most of that book, but I remembered that Edward had a starring role.

I'm only a few chapters into it, but gawd. Anita has character. There's actually a plot! She's doing something besides fucking! She raised zombies and was working with the cops!

*cries* When is the old Anita going to come back to us?

But now I am starting to wonder what Edward has been up to since we last saw him. I think it would be interesting if Ted DID get married. He'd send an invite to Anita and she'd have to bring her harem of men. It MIGHT actually be a good story if LKH could bring back personalities to her characters. Edward would be there as Ted, pissed as hell over Anita's harem and dealing with trying to figure out what he should do. Would he let Ted slip enough so that he had to show Donna what he really was by trying to kill as many of the harem as possible, or would he just let the rage build up during the wedding and vow to take down Anita and the crew some other day? After all, in OB it's mentioned that Edward likes hunting the dangerous pray. I can't think of anyone more dangerous in the Antiaverse now than Anita.

[identity profile] salveo-opes.livejournal.com 2006-07-16 05:59 pm (UTC)(link)
There's the end to the series right there.

I think you should take over and write it--then the torture would be over with. LOL

[identity profile] mneiai.livejournal.com 2006-07-16 06:10 pm (UTC)(link)
I always thought Edward should have his own spin-off. It would be a return to the lovely blood and guts we've all missed ^.^ And, well, obviously I'm all for things from RAZ's pov. Too bad writing isn't like being Ulfric, someone could battle LKH for the book series and become the new author.

[identity profile] mneiai.livejournal.com 2006-07-16 06:19 pm (UTC)(link)
YES, I think the mystery is a huge part of Edward's char. Though, a third person POV would work, too. First person is never as great as most people think it is, imho. You need to be so careful with it, because that means everything is filtered through the character's own feelings and beliefs.

Yeah, let's keep him without too many emotions! ::laugh:: Or at least without an emotional crisis.

[identity profile] salveo-opes.livejournal.com 2006-07-16 06:29 pm (UTC)(link)
That would be better than what we have now. LOL

[identity profile] mneiai.livejournal.com 2006-07-16 06:08 pm (UTC)(link)
I actually think you can trace the end of the series further back than OB, but OB was still a decent book. Not the best ABVH book, but decent (though I still hate what she did with Edward, he was a lot cooler as a sociopath than someone with dissociate identities).

I don't want Edward anywhere near Anita at the moment. I'm quite happy everyone's seemed to forgotten he's existed over there. Because even though it's completely out of character, even though the very idea is horrifying, he would probably be attacked by the ardeur like everything else with a penis. And Edward's amazing, but he's still only human....

[identity profile] mneiai.livejournal.com 2006-07-16 06:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Blue Moon, BM was the first book that I got angry at (not pissed, yet, mind you, but angry). Though I thought there were some shaky parts starting in Burnt Offerings. I also think BO is the start of all this craziness--introducing the Council, having Anita become more and more powerful, having her gain a new power every time she has to deal with something, etc.

I don't like Nathaniel, and I really, really wish she'd stop making a big deal about how submissive he is when Anita has said it herself that he's not acting submissive. Though, all of her "sexual deviant" stuff gives a bad name to real submissives/masochists/sadists/dominants. She can't research half as much as she claims to (though, I guess those calendars take up a lot of time...).
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[identity profile] mneiai.livejournal.com 2006-07-16 07:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Nah, even "Real Sex" is more factual than some of this stuff. I think she just watched a really bad porn, once, went "ooh, that's kinda nifty," and then shoved it in the books. I'm constantly surprised there's not some outpouring of rage from the actual BDSM community, all things considered. Though, hell, maybe they're happy it's not being considered evil in something, even though it's so very wrong.

[identity profile] rantingmule.livejournal.com 2006-07-16 08:57 pm (UTC)(link)
I for one have a pretty hefty outpouring of rage for her depictions of BDSM. Seriously. I've had friends who know I'm into some of it read her books them come to me all worried and ask if I've been raped. Uhhhh...nnnoooooo...it ent like her books, folks! I wasn't sexually abused as a child...and none of the other subs I know were, either. We aren't submissive because we're scaredy cats or weak-willed people, either! Plus...she actually DOES borderline depict it as evil...a lot of her "bad guys" are sexual sadists wrapped in leather who get off by kicking folks and forcing them to do shit that, guess what, AIN'T LEGAL. :P

I can't recall ONE. SINGLE. DOMINANT who was a sadist who wasn't...yanno...an OMG EVIL PRICK who didn't know the meaning of the word "consent." Seriously!

I think the real reason folks who are into it don't go bashing her door down in a dog-collar'd lynch mob is because most of us (least the ones I know anyways) are actually pretty tolerant of idiots getting the wrong impression.

[identity profile] mneiai.livejournal.com 2006-07-16 09:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, well, I guess I was too into Raina and Gabriel to really mind them being evil ::laugh:: Plus, I think a lot of her sadists come off more like serial killers than sexual "deviants". At least, to me they do. I'm also really ticked at how idiotic most of her subs and masochists are. Especially because house wives have rape fantasies, you're not automatically a submissive just because you once had a wet dream where some guy did you hard. I don't understand why none of the more dominant characters aren't sexual submissives, a lot of people who have lots of stress and power in their day-to-day lives like to give up control during sex.

But usually when someone gets the wrong impression about BDSM it's because they're uberconservatives or some such thing, since there is a lot of propaganda against it. The fact that ABVH is meant to appeal to people of a lot more liberal leaning, I think, makes it more harmful.

[identity profile] rantingmule.livejournal.com 2006-07-17 06:35 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, well, I guess I was too into Raina and Gabriel to really mind them being evil ::laugh::

Gabriel ROCKED. 'Nuff said. ;)

Plus, I think a lot of her sadists come off more like serial killers than sexual "deviants". At least, to me they do.

I know. It's like she thinks that it's because they're sexual sadists that they're also rapists and killers. I wish she'd differentiate the two categories, yanno?

I'm also really ticked at how idiotic most of her subs and masochists are.

No kidding. :P People like Nathaniel need to be in serious therapy, not tied to a stage and called Bad Kitty. Those sort of people do NOT make good subs, because they are not mentally healthy. And nobody in their right mind would treat Nathaniel the way Anita and co. do. Grrrrrrr.

I don't understand why none of the more dominant characters aren't sexual submissives, a lot of people who have lots of stress and power in their day-to-day lives like to give up control during sex.

YOU WIN THE INTERNET. No, really. XD

Yeah, thank you for that, it made my day a bit brighter, knowing that not everyone has gotten suckered into LKH's ideas of what D&S are.

The fact that ABVH is meant to appeal to people of a lot more liberal leaning, I think, makes it more harmful.

Ja. All she's doing is perpetuating the inaccurate stereotypes, which only re-circulates the notion that anyone into BDSM is sick in the head, abused, cruel, or perverted. Which...uhhhh...not so much.

The fact that LKH claims to engage in D&S is...really fucking scary, since she's so malrepresented it in her AB:VH series.

[identity profile] klmorgan.livejournal.com 2006-07-16 10:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Blue Moon, BM was the first book that I got angry at (not pissed, yet, mind you, but angry).

I remember being completely and utterly skeeved by the whole "Raina's possesing me so we'll have sex!", even as a tender teenager.

[identity profile] mneiai.livejournal.com 2006-07-16 10:58 pm (UTC)(link)
It only helped to remind me how cool a character Raina was and how much I wish Richard had been the one with the huge personality change and ended up in a bdsm threesome with Raina and Gabriel. There's sex that could never be boring ^.^

[identity profile] delphinapterus.livejournal.com 2006-07-16 06:11 pm (UTC)(link)
I keep thinking that Edward would find Anita to be a disappointment since the only way she'd dangerous is through sex and Edward seems too controlled to be bothered by Anita and her err... powers.

[identity profile] delphinapterus.livejournal.com 2006-07-17 05:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes Anita used to have those powers but from what the last few books have been like it seems that either these powers have left her to make way for her new sex-fu or Anita has just forgotten about them. Either way she didn't really practice with them which makes them much more ineffective than they could be should Anita ever take the time to actually learn about her powers instead of flying off the cuff.

[identity profile] nightmer.livejournal.com 2006-07-16 07:08 pm (UTC)(link)
An in character Edward would almost have to kill Anita if he met her again. She isn't his apprentice, she's more powerful than the monsters and she's dangerous but doesn't actually do anything Edward would consider worthwhile.

But what are the chances Edward's old personality will survive his next appearance in the series? My guess is Edward will love Anita just like everything else in the new books.

[identity profile] dwg.livejournal.com 2006-07-16 09:19 pm (UTC)(link)
*weeps with you*

I wanted to put up LOST posters for Edward. I'm convinced that in OB, we were witnessing Pod-Edward.

It's that, or Edward is now in a non-extradition country, hitting on waitresses and sipping those cocktails with the cute umbrellas in them.

Or going on a killing spree. With Sigmund as his backup.

[identity profile] dwg.livejournal.com 2006-07-16 10:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Maybe it's still in storage from when Anita moved out of her apartment and into her house.

Though, I like the idea that Damian goes through all of Anita's stuff in the basement when he's sent to his room. He could find all of her most embarrassing secrets, then blackmail her into letting him out and becoming his own man Viking.

[identity profile] delphinapterus.livejournal.com 2006-07-17 05:36 pm (UTC)(link)
I've put my blinders on and firmly feel that OB was Edward having an extended laugh at Anita's expense and practicing his acting skills. The idea of pod-Edward just makes me too sad.

[identity profile] lightysnake.livejournal.com 2006-07-17 08:34 pm (UTC)(link)
I live in terror of the day Edward becomes Anita's boytoy...

[identity profile] hbrogan.livejournal.com 2006-07-17 09:30 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm still laboring under the delusion that all books since OB have been one elaborate nightmare of Edward's and that he'll wake up soon and put us all out of our misery.