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We're all agreed that the ardeur is essentially mystic date-rape, right? I mean, the men can't really consent to it and to make matters worse they can become addicted to it. But... I recently whilst watching Law and Order: SVU I wondered, what would actually happen if one of Anita's harem actually realised it was rape? 

This is assuming, of course, they're not blindly in love with the Doom Crotch. Or even what would happen if someone grew a spine and actually pointed out that it was rape? I know that LKH wouldn't dare put Anita in a situation like that because she evidently doesn't think it's rape and besides, Anita's a blatent self-insert. 

But supposing Anita's world was real or that LKH had half a brain, what would the consequences be for Anita if someone actually spoke up and said that she had raped them and how would she react? How would you deal with something like the ardeur in the real world?

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I should also add that it has not even been established in canon that he CAN addict anyone to him sexually. Sure, the ardeur is addictive, but as poor London proves, that addiction extends to anybody who holds the ardeur. It's not personal to one vamp.

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JC was presented as hot. There's a big difference between natural lust, which humans are aware of and somewhat prepared to deal with, and a supernatural power. She might have been attracted to him without the ardeur, but since she didn't like, love, or even respect him, without that supernatural ability he didn't have a real chance of getting someone who claimed to be waiting for marriage into bed without it.

It's really jumping to conclusions to say that a character who would blackmail a woman into dating him, and was desperate to possess her power would use his supernatural abilities to make her lust after him.

The arguments I made ARE based on the text and the behavior of the characters, unlike your assumptions that Micah acted deliberately, when the behavior of the ardeur and Micah's complete passivity in every other instance completely contradict that.

I never said that JC's addictiveness was personal. What difference would that make? He lied to her about his powers in order to make her think the lust was something between the two of them, not a power he could use on anyone. He wanted to addict her so she'd be less likely to leave him even if she did eventually find out.

I don't like Micah. I think he's a tool, partly JC's. But you and other people who claim to be feminists have said you like a character who blackmails and manipulates a woman, then infects her with an eternal roofie without even warning her so she could choose whether to take the risk.

Since Anita never punishes JC for his behavior, I guess it's just what she secretly wanted all along, but that's the case with all the so-called "heroines" in bodice-rippers, and the controlling creeps who supposedly love them.

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She might have been attracted to him without the ardeur, but since she didn't like, love, or even respect him, without that supernatural ability he didn't have a real chance of getting someone who claimed to be waiting for marriage into bed without it.

I can see you've never been in lust. You don't have to like somebody to want to get horizontal with them. Sometimes it's just as simple as hormones.


It's really jumping to conclusions to say that a character who would blackmail a woman into dating him, and was desperate to possess her power would use his supernatural abilities to make her lust after him.

I'm glad we agree on that, considering there's no proof he even has any power to "addict" anyone to him.

Your entire argument amounts to: He's an incubus, therefore he can make her want him, therefore he did make her want him.

It's been stated repeatedly that what happened (Anita getting his ardeur) has never happened before. So how exactly was he supposed to warn her about something he didn't even think was possible?


Let's just drop it, shall we? It's obvious nobody is going to change your mind, and your convoluted arguments certainly aren't going to change mine.

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Anita used to claim she needed a lot more than lust. He knew once he got her into bed she'd tell herself that she loved him. Lying about his lust-inducing power helped him get that far, Anita's screwed up psyche did the rest.

A character who handed over Robert, who he later claimed was his friend, to be raped and tortured by Raina for reasons far less pressing than losing a powerful tool, isn't such a gentleman that he wouldn't induce lust.

He told her that the ardeur had never been passed by giving the marks, but he knew that with the marriage of the marks they would be sharing more powers. He also told her he didn't know how many, since her power was so strong. As I said before, he knew the ardeur was one of his powers, he said the power-sharing would be unpredictable, he knew they were to be married at the groin chakra, so at the absolute minimum he knew he could infect her with something that would cause her to lose her sexual autonomy, and never gave her a choice intaking that risk. Was he also ignorant of the master-servant bond? Of course not. He wanted her to believe what she felt for him was love, just as he wanted her to believe her lust for him came entirely from within.

My arguments are perfectly clear. JC blackmailed and manipulated Anita through both threats and mind-altering powers. Micah is a doormat and the ardeur rapes both parties.

Yours are, that despite his established character, JC nobly refused to use a power available to him, and that despite the overwhelming nature of the ardeur, Micah's passivity in every other instance, and JC's dick-grabbing at the critical moment, that Micah is the guilty party.

Since the series is written in first person, and JC isn't likely to admit to using his powers on her, or knowingly infecting her, his character is all we have to go by. Since you haven't made any arguments in JC's favor other than hotness, it comes back to: JC hot. Micah not.