What was THE MOMENT for you?
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Hey Fellow Lashers.
I've got a question I've been wondering about for you all. Consider it a survey of sorts.
What was THE MOMENT when you knew that you were done with AB:VH (Or even Merry?) I'm not talking about the bad grammer, the endless, bore me to death sex scenes, or LKH not even remembering how to spell her own character names. (We've all plodded along with those in the hopes that it would someday get better.) I mean the moment when it FINALLY happened. When you threw whatever book you were reading across the room and just KNEW you were never going to pick it up again?
I've got a question I've been wondering about for you all. Consider it a survey of sorts.
What was THE MOMENT when you knew that you were done with AB:VH (Or even Merry?) I'm not talking about the bad grammer, the endless, bore me to death sex scenes, or LKH not even remembering how to spell her own character names. (We've all plodded along with those in the hopes that it would someday get better.) I mean the moment when it FINALLY happened. When you threw whatever book you were reading across the room and just KNEW you were never going to pick it up again?
For me, it had to be in Incubus Dreams. I almost did it when we found out Richard was now a rape victim (WHAT?? A-fucking-NOTHER one?? Can you not have a dick in the AB world and not get raped?) But I held on. Then it was almost the sex scene were Anita goes on and on in great detail about barfing and blowjobs, followed by the 18 thousand fuckmefuckmefuckmes at the end. But not quite - I was plodding along until....
The bad guys leave a note.
After all this drama, all this tension (well, no not really, but let's pretend), said bad guys don't even show up and do a "Whoops! Our bad! So sorry. Gotta-go-bye!"
For me, that was IT! I was never ever EVER going to pay good money to read this woman's crap again. And I feel so much freer for it!
What was everyone's else THAT'S IT moment of clarity?
Just curious.
Blue
P.S. For Merry, it was in the last book, which I didn't even bother to read, when my friend mentioned to me that is was 384 pages and they STILL hadn't made it to the Seelie Court. But they sure as hell did fuck alot. BAH!!
The bad guys leave a note.
After all this drama, all this tension (well, no not really, but let's pretend), said bad guys don't even show up and do a "Whoops! Our bad! So sorry. Gotta-go-bye!"
For me, that was IT! I was never ever EVER going to pay good money to read this woman's crap again. And I feel so much freer for it!
What was everyone's else THAT'S IT moment of clarity?
Just curious.
Blue
P.S. For Merry, it was in the last book, which I didn't even bother to read, when my friend mentioned to me that is was 384 pages and they STILL hadn't made it to the Seelie Court. But they sure as hell did fuck alot. BAH!!
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Date: 2006-10-04 05:43 pm (UTC)Well, I don't even remember what Cerulean Sins was about..and I READ that one. UGH. I also don't remember much from Incubus Dreams. That one took me a while to read....I had to keep throwing the book in the trash.
My mom bought Micah cause it was on sale in BJs. I read that recently on the train. Yea...I have no comment on that book. None at all...
I'll probably poke Danse Macabre when it comes out in paperback. I am SO not paying 25 bucks for that book. Maybe I'll read it in the aisle at Borders. Though I might get worried people will look over my shoulder.
I don't actually remember reading Mistral's Kiss......::checks bookshelf::
Ah..last one I read was A Stroke of Midnight.
Curiosity will be what's going to keep me reading these books. For those few and far between moments of awesome paragraphs.
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Date: 2006-10-05 09:27 am (UTC)That was when I started rolling my eyes a lot and started describing Anita as "a supernatural slut".
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Date: 2006-10-04 05:54 pm (UTC)But I still tried the next ones, because I loved OB
bt ID was teh end
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Date: 2006-10-04 06:01 pm (UTC)I forgive the Merry series its wonky times when they're in the Sithen- Fairyland and time don't mix well according to legend anyway. You go in for a night and come out 50 years later in the stories, so it would figure that they might have all that crap happen and it's really only been one night. It's iffy but at least she creates iffy canon for the iffy reasoning. Whereas in Anita she set up one canon and then blew it all to Penthouse Hell.
But now the typos and acid trips have eaten Merry's little bit of questionable plot and I am sad. That could have been a helluva cool idea, you know. Actual dangerous bad-ass faeries and sex and mingling with the real world and politics. Yeah, it could have been really fun. Sigh. Stupid Laurell, going all insane just when she finally had a heroine I could stand.
No. I had no moment of revelation of the horror with Anita... well, okay, maybe Micah's pages o' unloveable penile angst might be a leading cause of squick. But reading Cerulean Sins and then reading Guilty Pleasures didn't help. Because I could swear those two were in no way related aside from character names. And I never did like Anita herself. Not too fond of Merry but I could live with her... until the last book or so when she's completely become Anita 2.
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Date: 2006-10-04 06:13 pm (UTC)For MG it was definitely Seduced By Moonlight and the first sentence put me right off - but I struggled through. When it got to Merry dying and getting resurrected by TEH DIETY, I was ready to set things on fire. Then again, MG books never sat right with me because they hold your hand and explain everything that doesn't need the exposition and then skims over all the WTF parts. Also, I am not a political idiot - my little finger can create a better court intrigue than what's going on there right now. I'm only hanging in there for my fucking Sholto porn that was promised back in book one! A Stroke of Midnight sits unread after over a year on my bookshelf.
Given how painful Danse Macabre is, I don't know if I'll continue with AB:VH. I keep telling myself that I will, but dude - the previews and other people's snarks have been painful enough. The real thing? OMG. This should be banned under the Geneva Convention as a form of cruel and unusual punishment. Goodness knows, I do not want to pay for these books any more.
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Date: 2006-10-04 06:31 pm (UTC)Danse Macabre is atrocious. And I'm not sure 'atrocious' covers it. Atrocious books back away from Danse Macabre in awe and horror. I skimmed through it in the bookstore and nearly choked. There's someone named Merlin. He does ballet. I think. And Mommy Darkest goes all Buffy First Slayer. Or something. And Anita pwns all. Even the Rat King. Because she's Teh Ebill Dark And Twisty Mega Sue. And there is sex. Really, really, badly written screaming almost-death sex.
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Date: 2006-10-04 06:58 pm (UTC)That character was so the beginning of the end.
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Date: 2006-10-04 06:54 pm (UTC)And they never even get there. I could have cried.
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Date: 2006-10-04 07:48 pm (UTC)And then, as I said, to hear that there was another FOUR HUNDRED bloody pages and they STILL couldn't get to the damn Seelie Court, and I was done with Merry. My friend, who passed this info on to me, said they spend a good three chapters debating the logistics of a blow job, but not getting to the Seelie Court. WTF??
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Date: 2006-10-04 06:56 pm (UTC)OB was much better, still squick worthy in some spots, but better. It had plot! and I liked CS if only for the mild JC/Asher romance and reconsiliation going on. Other than that, I don't remember much about it except Belle not nearly being badass enough.
ID was the end. And now that I've heard DM is just as bad, haven't bothered to read it.
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Date: 2006-10-04 07:42 pm (UTC)she was on bloody bones at the time.
I smiled.
that was also the time when she suggested that Johnny Depp would make an excellant Jean-claude if they ever made a movie of the book, god forbid. needless to say i couldn't consentrate for the rest of the class.
I had hated the two books before but I don't really know why it didn't occur to me that I should stop reading this crap....
unless the next book has Edward in the summary I'm pretty sure I will rely on this community for teh snarkage.
:)
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Date: 2006-10-04 07:58 pm (UTC)I knew things were on a downwards slope after NiC, but I loved the series enough to give CS a try. I've read it twice and still have no idea what happens in it. I couldn't tell you anything about it beyond "Anita shags a lot of people." I bought ID second-hand from a market thinking it sounded slightly more promising. Dear God, was I ever disappointed. It's the only book I've ever been unable to finish. Anita had become a totally unsypathetic, selfish, patronising bitch (moreso), the men were all carbon copies of each other and the plot... wait... there was no plot. That's why I stopped.
A Stroke of Midnight will probably be the last Merry book I buy. It was glacially slow and I learned nothing except that Merry is Anita in a wig. Like dwg I'm kinda tempted to hold out for my Sholto sex, but unless it's a guarantee I shall abstain from Mistral's Kiss.
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Date: 2006-10-04 08:06 pm (UTC)I had never read any published work which was so unrelentingly awful as Incubus Dreams. (That includes anything I've read by Clive Cussler or Anne Rice.) But yes, by the time she was in the parking lot after the wedding in the beginning of the book, I realized I had picked out a true stonker of the first magnitude.
However, I sometimes get a kick out of reading crap simply for the hilarity of it and I decided I would read on. I was not fazed by LKH's preoccupation with what everyone was wearing, nor was I frightened off by Nathaniel's ankle-length hair.
However, once things began to heat up (?) with her vampire uke and Micah... they're rolling around on the floor and Anita's having her 'to fuck or not to fuck' dilemma, I began to seriously lose my temper. I was skimming through it waiting for Laurell to get to the point already. I've known people half Laurell's age who could write steamier scenes. Between the angst and whathisbucket's 'deep, green pools', I realized that Laurell was just incoherently confusing masturbating and writing. I think what did it for me was finally, after that whole scene with Anita's vampire uke going apeshit--after Anita fucks him into submission--he's suddenly drop dead gorgeous and sunlight doesn't hurt him anymore?
By that time I could have given a shit less what the explanation was, because I'd had it up to my eyebrows with Anita's generally pissy, unlikeable demeanor and her harem of whinging, angsty men.
I had to smack my paperback against my footboard a few times before launching it across my bedroom, in the hopes returning some of the pain.
Of course, afterwards I read a friend's Merry Gentry books, which were awful and rife with WTFness throughout, but still not as bad as Incubus Dreams.
Gawd it felt good to pitch that fucker.
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Date: 2006-10-04 08:58 pm (UTC)I stayed away from Micah entirely and had planned to stay away from Danse Macabre, but for some reason I picked it up at the library. I suffered the excessive clothing description. I suffered the kitchen description. I wobbled through Ronnie's inexplicable weirdness and damn near put it through the window at the whole "I'm just so jeallous of you!" But the "I just cannot do this anymore" moment came with the Richard not being comfortable with his beast and not liking that Anita being more comfortable with his beast than he was. Really a mundane thing given what there is to chose from, but after hearing that exact description for so many books (honestly, I think it is almost word forword the same damn paragraph) I just snapped and could not bring myself to read another word.
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Date: 2006-10-04 09:49 pm (UTC)All the AB books I have read were either borrowed from my roommate or from the library.
Right now, I'm waiting a bit before attempting to check out Dance Macabre from the library, since it seems a lot of people are doing what I'm doing--borrowing instead of buying.
When I do get it (I may wait until after my NaNovel is done) I plan on reading it for the sheer amusement value of the ridiculousness of it. Kinda like the way I rent out bad movies for fun.
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Date: 2006-10-08 12:12 am (UTC)Really? Wow. Like, grammatical errors and typos corrected, or scenes rewritten? Because it'd be fascinating to know the changes made.
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Date: 2006-10-04 11:37 pm (UTC)I got past the part where the Mayan (or Incan? Eh.) vampires were blowing werewolves for blood, but just barely (couldn't get past how inefficient, dumb and OMGOTH it was). I don't remember how much farther I read after that, since it was a long time ago, but I do remember why I stopped. After about the 300th time Anita had taken a break to internally agonize over what a monster she'd become, it suddenly dawned on me that. . . that was it. I couldn't read anymore.
She'd been getting progressively whinier in the last couple of books, and I just had enough. That wasn't the Anita I knew. The Anita I knew would have either accepted the fact that she was a monster, or worked to fix it - even if it meant killing herself. She wouldn't whine about it like a little bitch.
So I stopped, and thank god for that! If I'd actually read NiC or farther, I think my head would have exploded from sheer rage.
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Date: 2006-10-05 04:02 am (UTC)I read Incubus Dreams in the bookstore in hardcover because I was thinking about buying it in paperback if it was better than whatever came before, but then the Byron/Requeium scene happened. About a paragraph after introducing TWO MORE POINTLESS CHARACTERS, she fucks one. And it's the gay one.
Even if rocks fall and everyone dies, or it turns out that the whole fuck crisis of both series are the result of a tragic brain parasite that is miraculously removed and she suddenly returns to a semi-decent series, there is no way I'll ever give LKH my money again. But if it is a brain parasite, I will happily donate toward the brain parasite miraculous cure foundation.
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Date: 2006-10-05 04:30 am (UTC)I opened Incubus Dreams and found porn. I opened it again at random and found porn. Lather, rinse, repeat, about a dozen times. Porn, porn, porn. And from what I saw of the porn...that's when I first knew it was shit.
Oh Please....
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Date: 2006-10-05 04:53 am (UTC)ID was pretty much the final straw for me. I couldn't get past the first fifty pages and I skimmed through a bit more here and there, and when I got to the part about Damian walking in sunlight and being "prettified", I was left full of serious WTF-ness. I thought that was SUCH a cheap Mary-Sue trick. And of course, Anita being made prettier by the "vampire glamor." I just gagged when I read that.
And I skipped over Micah because I didn't want to read it and I didn't think I would miss much of anything. Glad I did, in hindsight.
I held out a last, desperate hope that Danse Macabre would be better and that LKH would snap out of it. But when I heard about how bad and utterly ridiculous it was, that was the deal breaker. I read a "preview" in this community and ended up joining so I could vent my anger and frustration along with everyone else.
I'm glad I stopped at ID before my brain melted completely...and even more glad I didn't finish reading it. I probably would have shattered my fragile lil psyche.
Still...I'm left very bitter that I rushed out and bought it without thinking.
*sighs mournfully and shoots ID to smithereens with Alucard's Jackal*
There, I feel better now. :)
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Date: 2006-10-05 06:00 am (UTC)What made me stop reading? Was when she yanked down the first set of forums (aka the guest book) because people were being mean. I was willing to keep putting up with the shlock in the hopes it would get better but when she pulled that I said "yanno what? I'm done." If an author can't respect their readers, how can we respect the author?
This also coincided with two incidents:
1) Getting hooked on Jacqueline Carey and saying to myself "WOW! Now *Here's* an author who can write some steamy sex and have it be good. Some of it isn't even my kinda thing but I can read it and ENJOY it nonetheless."
2) Reading 7 chapters of ID and realizing that LKH isn't a tenth of the writer JC is.
I thought OB was the best of the series. She went away from the boys and... the book had a PLOT. I was amazed and I wish LKH would reread that book and see what she's capable of.
But that takes work. Sigh.
so anyways.. Hi, I'm new here, glad to find more people who share my feelings on LKH. :)
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Date: 2006-10-05 09:26 am (UTC)We didn't *get* all the clues in that one, at all, and just had everything revealed in a nice package.
At that point, I was done even pretending to enjoy the books.
The last one I read was OB, and I read it because I had a long bus ride ahead of me. It confirmed everything I didn't like. I haven't looked back.
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Date: 2006-10-05 06:15 pm (UTC)My 'moment'? When I decided not to spend money on her latest book.