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Some really small wank involving the "boy with breasts" comment Anita made a few books ago.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ok a bit of an info dump :

 

EGL is a comm for lolita fashion which has as of late picked up some attention in western anime circles. Long story short a company deciding to cash in on the growing popularity makes a booboo by sending in an uninformed, apparently grammatically challenged intern to do the dirty work for them and needless to say it Does Not Go Well.

 

Cue the entrance of another worker for the same company to show up and reason OP's thought process to all of us. In classic egl format (I'll admit we are a catty bunch) I rush over to her profile and pull out this little gem :

 

"I hate women who complain about being fat when they're like a size five. Anything under size five isn't a woman. It's a boy with breasts." -Anita Blake

 

And as someone else states it should be enough to make one ban the company if they hire people who put this sort of quote on their profile where anyone can see it while representing them.

 

Now as to how this is relevant : all of the people who have written a reply back to the comment in question are not AB fans - in fact they've never heard of LKH. Seeing people so violently reacting to it who don't come with all the knowledge that fans usually do just goes to prove that out in the Real World people are not having it when it comes to LKH's brand of crazy.

 http://community.livejournal.com/egl/9934108.html?thread=172347420#t172347420

 

Small yes, but it amused me anyway.

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[wonderbink.livejournal.com]

I'm not sure who Miss Blake is but I think you would do well not to quote her in the future as anyone that cracked off their rocker that says such completely disconnected sweeping generalizations is not exactly quote worthy. --florencelasalle

Heh.

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[justacrazygirl.livejournal.com]

Ok, I had trouble getting past the part about the 'lolita community'.

There's a freaking lolita community?

Here I was thinking that was just some kinky PRON thing. >.<

Color me oblivious.

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[tsubaki-ny.livejournal.com]

Isn't it just people who want to dress up like Victorian baby dolls? Not too pr0nny. Well, not inherently. :-D

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[rinkori.livejournal.com]

It's a fashion community, not a sexual/ageplay community. "Elegant gothic lolita" is just another form of gothic fashion subculture.

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[justacrazygirl.livejournal.com]

Well, there ya go. :) I'll totally admit to being fashion oblivious, and my 'goth' phase petered out a few years ago! :D

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[teacup-carousel.livejournal.com]

Its kind of unlike Western goth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Classicloli.JPG

The girl on the right is a good example of what should be aimed for.

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[darkese.livejournal.com]

What caliber do you suggest? .22 she would probably just get up again.

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[teacup-carousel.livejournal.com]

Eh? o_O

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[darkese.livejournal.com]

hehe - when I saw the pic all I could think was 'aim, fire, shoot!'. Dressing like that isn't my thing and anything that uses a euphemism for child pornography just squicks me to no end.

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[teacup-carousel.livejournal.com]

Um, I fail to see how us dressing differently should inspire anyone to want to shoot. I guess if you saw me right now you'd be aiming for that .22 eh? :/

And most Lolitas were totally unaware of the book until it was finally recomended as reading in one of the major loli publications a few years back. Chances are if you bring it up in Japan most will still have no idea what you're talking about. The US counterpart prides its self on being anti-child porn as well. Really the fashion and the book hold no connection to eachother and are as different as night and day.

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[darkese.livejournal.com]

It was a joke about shooting - lighten up. You need a thicker skin if you're going to dress like that and can't take an 'aim' joke.

I also don't care if they know about the book or not, or a group that calls itself Lolita is anti-child porn. Lolita is what pedophiles call porn with preteens. Claiming ignorance about the meaning of the word when you sell fashion to children/teens doesn't make it less offensive.

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[teacup-carousel.livejournal.com]

I have pretty tough skin considering I dress in loli almost every day now, it just seemed like a pretty bizarre joke and I wasn't sure. After all I've run into some people who have said similar things and were dead serious about it. .___.

I understand what you're saying - child porn is up there on my top list of unforgivable offenses but that's just how the fashion came named to us. *shrug*

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[darkese.livejournal.com]

I'd try to rename it.

And I would never hurt a fly. I would just snark it to death ;P

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[teacup-carousel.livejournal.com]

:O Oh noes death by snarks! Surely you wouldn't be so cruel.

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[rozasharn.livejournal.com]

Perhaps "schoolgirl chic"?
Or "schoolgirl Victorian"?

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[teacup-carousel.livejournal.com]

Eh there's been some discussion on it but its kind of hard to tell the media we'd rather be called elegant victorian dolls or some other crap and expect them to start doing it.

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[brightlyiburn.livejournal.com]

"Chances are if you bring it up in Japan most will still have no idea what you're talking about."

Um...actually, that couldn't be further from the truth. A series called "Lolita Anime" was begun in Japan in 1984 (yes, it is child porn) and there's been others sense then, like the infamous Cream Lemon series. In fact you may have heard phrases like "Lolicon no hentai", which, naturally, stems from "Lolita".

In case you're wonder, I have an encyclopedia of anime dating from as far back as 1917. Haven't watched the stuff in years, but I still read the book from time to time...some of it is really fascinating. Sometimes in a really bizarre way, but still.

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[teacup-carousel.livejournal.com]

I'm talking about Nabkov's (sp?) book which popularized the term lolita in connection to a sexually attractive young girl. Yes I'm well aware of those animes you listed but the term lolita was also applied to series like "Candy Candy" (which predates the series you have listed), certain characters in "The Rose of Versailles" and so on which definitely have no connection to anything sexual at all. Japan's concept of lolita is more or less "any cute young looking girl". Many artists for comics in the magazine Nakayoshi who's target audience is 7 say that they write "lolita comics" that have nothing to do with sex. In japan he word has a much broader use.

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[brightlyiburn.livejournal.com]

Which is all well and good, but that's far from having "no idea" what it is. And they DO use it in the sense it's used in the book, so I imagine that at least some of them are going to have an idea where that particular definition comes from.

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[teacup-carousel.livejournal.com]

Most of the people who wear lolita in Japan are young women in their teens who are only aware of the term as its used within that culture and not Nobkov's book. If you ask most of them "have you heard of a book called 'Lolita' by an author named Nabkov?" they will shake their heads no. If you ask them where the word originated they will say "from cute things like Candy Candy (or name some other anime here)" and the like. Some of the guys I've asked have gone ahead and said "oh I think its because of men's comics - you know cute girls in costumes doing stuff like that" but out of all the people we asked both on line and just wondering along the street (and indeed the major publication Gothic and Lolita Bible has asked their readers similar questions and received the same response) almost no one had heard of or made the connection to his book. One older lolita (at age 23 lol) was the only person I encountered who knew anything saying "ah I think its because of some book a foreigner wrote isn't it?" which was the closest I got.

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[darkese.livejournal.com]

I don't know how relevant it is that the potential victims of pedophiles know what the word means as much as the men who stick it in to google to find their porn and are directed at these young boys and girls dressing up for the camera. The adults making the money off of this do know and don't care. That bothers me - the fact the children don't know the words doesn't matter.

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[teacup-carousel.livejournal.com]

Well, if you're really concerned I'd like to ask for your help by asking you to make a clear distinction about lolita as it exists in the literary sense and lolita as it exists as a fashion to those you may meet who are confusing the two. This is something we ask of everyone we meet and I've seen it end many a situation that could have gotten quite ugly. As for the rest - as in any subculture you realize that there are risks and with loli I can name quite a few that have nothing to do with understanding the origin of the word. I'm not too sure about the people making money off it understanding either - I'm pretty sure right now only a smattering of people here and there have read the book or understand it and they're more involved with the publishing aspect of it - no one wants to see anyone come to any harm. If you're really still bothered by it I urge you by all means to stop on by egl and make a post detailing your concerns to open an official discussion about it since these are some of the more important issues we do like to tackle from time to time.

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[darkese.livejournal.com]

I don't give a shit about confusing the word with it's litarary meaning and your fashion. It's what pedophiles call child porn. Why don't you spend your time looking up this word you're throwing around before defending it. Go to some free porn sites, look at their rules for their submissions and you'll see the phrase 'no lolita, no rape, no bestiality' all over the place. They all know what it means - you're the one who doesn't.

You're confusing the word with the book and fashion and not seeing the real world way it is used by pedophiles as a code word for child pornography. These guys don't care about the book or the fashion. I don't care that the word came from a book and is now used for teen fashion.

It bothers me that people who know better (or should) still defend their choice of words when told that this is what pedophiles call their smut. I'm not the one going around posting pic's of kids and labelling it lolita. I'm just telling you that you are pointing every disgusting pedophile to all the sites that use the word lolita. But keep defending your use of it and keep telling yourself that it's ok. The pedophiles don't mind either.

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[teacup-carousel.livejournal.com]

Ok thank you have a nice day.

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[eatsyourface.livejournal.com]

And they DO use it in the sense it's used in the book, so I imagine that at least some of them are going to have an idea where that particular definition comes from.

Au contraire - the emphasis on Gothic Lolita is about being beautiful, or elegant, or cute. (or any combination, thereof.) They tend to steer *away* from anything sexual.

Unless I am mistaken, the definition of "Lolita" in Nabokov's book is... about a sexually precocious young girl?

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[roguetailkinker.livejournal.com]

Considering the book was written from the point of view of her molester, that's extremely questionable. ...and actually, at the end he even admits he stole her childhood.

So even though people like to act like "Lolita" and "nymphet" mean some oversexed schoolgirl, anyone who has read the book knows the character was only a victim of a sexual predator.

I am Goth, and that "fashion description" still irritates the crap out of me. A bit like the whole "Catherine and Heathcliff=ideal romance" psuedo-literary bit, only much more offensive.

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[easol.livejournal.com]

Oooo, have you guys seen Kamikaze Girls? Perfect example of lolita chic, for love of lace and Victorian sumptuousness.

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[amamelina.livejournal.com]

Love Kamikaze Girls. When I need a pick-me-up, I put it in my dvd player.

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[sevariusjr.livejournal.com]

Did someone say lolis???

[ladyvy.livejournal.com]

Whenever I think of Lolita fashion, I think of the anime/manga Paradise Kiss. I snickered so much when I read all the posts provided from the link. Very amusing, it was.

[hellozombies.livejournal.com]

Did you notice that she removed it from her profile? XDDDD. That is hilarious.

[teacup-carousel.livejournal.com]

D: No I didn't. The coward! And still neither of them have responded to us either.

[lastshotringing.livejournal.com]

I hate women who complain about being fat when they're like a size five. Anything under size five isn't a woman. It's a boy with breasts.

That is so freaking ignorant. It still gets me pissed off.

[kyalesyin.livejournal.com]

Yup- you shrink below a size five, and suddenly its like, VAGINA BEGONE! Y HALO THAR PENIS!

[estllechauvelin.livejournal.com]

I'm still amazed that apparently if I lost a dress size, I'd gain breasts.

[longtail.livejournal.com]

All I have to do is stick a tag to my clothing and my 42" x 44" x 42H busty frame could be a "size 5" or below.

[ayako.livejournal.com]

lol this post made me all O_O Did I click on the wrong community?

I'm living on campus right now so I behind on what going on in EGL but DAMN I missed the EGL and LKH crossover dramu :(