Preternatural creatures weigh in?

[saucyirishlass.livejournal.com]

One of the arguments I have been a part of is how Anitaverse rules have been broken so that Laurell can turn Laurita into the most powerfulest, speshulest necrophiliac necromancer EVAR. One of the most blatant broken rules is that you cannot be a lycanthrope (or therianthrope, for amamelina) and vampire at the same time. Someone countered by pointing out the Mother of All Darkness was both.

Now, I'm completely convinced that Laurell invented the Mother of All Darkness just to be a precedent so she'd have an excuse to make Laurita all-powerful. And I'm ignoring the whole immunity-to-diseases-when-you're-a-human-servant fuck-up. My question is, does anyone remember if a vampire (who would obviously know about Marmée Noire) in a past book ever stated that you cannot be both?

Comments

[dwg.livejournal.com]

Off the top of my head, I don't recall any vampire saying that it's impossible, but I think in Circus of the Damned there was a mention that wereolves can't become vampires. But I don't think there was really anything to say about vampires becoming lycanthropes. Though, you'd think that any vampire that was mauled by a werewolf or wererat and then shifted the next full moon kinda woulda kept it to themselves for later powerplays and whatnots, or maybe curled up and died because they couldn't digest the meat of one of their kills. But that's crazy logic talking, so...just ingore that last part.

Then again, LKH said in Bloody Bones that fairies can't become vampires either and left the whole Xavier thing hanging with, "Well, was he or wasn't he?"

I'm particularly irksome over the, "vampires may or may not be able to have children," thing -- biology aside and going by the rules of the 'verse, I can't quite wrap my head around how A) Padma can have a son (Fernando), because he's like a council honcho guy and even if he had only died during the British occupation of India, I don't think he woulda been privy to the information about raising body temperature to help and IVF wasn't around so...*facepalm* (I'm willing to overlook Fernando being a wererat as something he got infected with later in life rather than him being born a wererat, because it raises too many WTF-ery things in me), and B) how Thea and Samuel in DM had kids, because they're both over one thousand years old and somehow manage to have three healthy kids. I could buy into it if Thea had a sperm donor, but...but...*headasplodes*

[summersdream.livejournal.com]

I think I just blew out a brainfuse...

Vampires being weres would be... really cranky, one would think. Would they just bite something and suck its blood? Would you end up with armies of undead rabbits and deer? And could the vampire use those minions against other vampires? "I will be Master of the City or you will feel the bite of my HELLBUNNIES!"

A)Padma and Fernando's mother obviously had a tryst in Bath? A hotspring spa in Switzerland? Or... India was really hot that summer maybe...? Maybe Fernando was adopted.

B) Fertility drugs. Really, really powerful fertility drugs. Thea's stage name is Maeve Reed. That or she actually got pregnant 900 years ago and sirens have a really, really, really long gestation period. In fact, the boys are triplets but one was premature and one was late.

The easy answer is that Laurell's post-it fell off and/or she is leading up to a big surprise that everything we knew about the universe in the first books is Totally Wrong, and now we shall Learn The Truth..

[dwg.livejournal.com]

I just stick with the theory that she does not keep any notes whatsoever and just plugs in what works for her at the time. Screw conventions of world-building! She's the author, she can do whatever she waaaaants!

Though, I was upset to see that Thea totally stole Melanie's gig by being, "the last one of her kiiiind" -- somewhere in the Circus, Melanie is locked in her room and is throwing bottles of nailpolish at the door and screaming, "BIIITCH!"

Thea and Mel totally need to team up and lay some smackdown on Anita. Immortal, smexy, superpowered bitches UNITE!

[summersdream.livejournal.com]

LKH: Melanie? Who's Melanie? She never existed. You are totally imagining that. *surreptitiously wipes nail polish off the door while Jon finishes installing soundproofing*

Thea+Melanie. Pwning upstart necro-sues since 1975 (bc).

[witchwillow.livejournal.com]

100 yrs from now, someone will stumble across the Anita Blake series, see it's copyright has expired and take up the universe as a 'Historical Detective Thriller'.

In it, we will see that Anita was an unreliable narrator. And that she'd been horrendously injured in the head in in one of the last two or so good books in the series. Everything after that was 'Anita Blake, Brain Dead Lackey Toy. And that she was kept complacent by giving her 'toys' to sooth her brain damaged aurdeur siezures. And she was the one putting names and faces to them.

Meanwhile, she was the slight embarassment in the corner, frantically touching herself, but who could raise the dead on command.

Anita as JC' powerful court jester.

Maybe the future writer will throw in something about how madness is close to psychic power and that's why Anita could sense Marmee Noir waking up - which was another good reason to keep her around.

[summersdream.livejournal.com]

... I would invent time travel for that.

[randomsome1.livejournal.com]

I will be Master of the City or you will feel the bite of my HELLBUNNIES!

This desperately needs iconned. XD

[saucyirishlass.livejournal.com]

Is anybody else thinking of the Killer Rabbit from Monty Python?

[randomsome1.livejournal.com]

That too. XD

[witchwillow.livejournal.com]

*Has A Murderous Bunny Icon*

-actually I have several.

[amamelina.livejournal.com]

or maybe curled up and died because they couldn't digest the meat of one of their kills

That made me laugh. I had a picture of a vampire dressed in JC's costumes with wolfish features, looking down at a kill and going, "Oh, damn."

[catskin.livejournal.com]

The Padma - Fernando thing irked me in so many, many ways.

1. How does a vampire have a child that turns out to be a lycanthrope?

2. Do vampires just have regular kids with no supernatural abilities?

3. Did Padma have him before he became a vampire, and then Fernando became a wererat?

4. Fernando is so not an Indian name. What's up with that? It's petty, I know, but it annoys me so much.

[dwg.livejournal.com]

I'm with you on 4, all the way. I keep thinking, "isn't that a Spanish name????" and given that Padma's straight out of the Temple of Doom, she coulda easily gone, "I'm calling his kid Krishna, or Rama!"

There's just so much WTF about his situation that hurts my head.

[saucyirishlass.livejournal.com]

Well, not to defend the author 'cause I'm sure she wasn't thinking about it, but the dude did have a mother, too. No reason that she couldn't have been a different culture. According to the Anita Blake Compendium (which was left for dead, like most other AB fansites), Fernando is only half-Indian; however, I don't have my copy of BO to double-check.

[dwg.livejournal.com]

I was half thinking of that in my comment, but gave way to snark. I keep thinking that maybe his mother was Spanish, which would explain a bunch...but...at the same time...gah.

[no-ron.livejournal.com]

maybe he was adopted..
>_>