The Darla Christmas speech

[shikishinobi.livejournal.com]

So Darla decides to debate what Christmas REALLY is/was before the Christian takeover. While I normally agree with her debate, a lot of the things she says are really.... pointless. So let us look at how Darla Dear debates something that is probably not going to change on whole, and cause a lot of Christians to have a go at her.

Christmas Debate Bingle



"get em in the door and hope you can convert em. It is shown to have happened repeatedly in history."
While using this to debate conversion in religion, I also noticed how useful it is when you are an author. If you can convince someone to rad the first book, then you can convince them to read the next one and the next one and so on. Too bad by book Eight that you lose the plot while trying to work out who looks like what.


"So for some Christians to want to oust other beliefs during the Christmas Season is just funny, at least to me."
And the whole idea of making fun of you guys the whole year is funny... at least to us.

"They should look to their own history before they start complaining about anyone else."
I suppose that is a good call and that everyone should do it. But if JKH and Darla do it, then they would realize what a disaster their work is and blow it before it got more out of hand than it is now. Oops, sorry, forgot, suethors don't think that way. Their creation, no matter ho much it is flamed, just keeps on going.

”The Knowledge Tree gets space as should any group as long as its display isn't dangerous. A tree full of book covers is thought provoking, not enemy action.”
Now I see where this is leading. She wants to put up the Tree of Knowledge and cover it in Anita Blake books. It would be the biggest advertisement stunt to hit St.Louis since... I dunno. Nice try Darla, but we're not fools.

”If your own faith is so lacking that you fear others sharing their beliefs in a non-violent way is hazardous, well I cannot help you. “
You are so right there. You probably couldn't help me with ritual or meditation, let alone how to write a book.

”I am not a PC person for the most part. Simply because I think it has gone from meaning Politically Correct to Politically Crazy most of the time “
In this one statement comes many things to say.
First of all, if a computer has changed in the politically sense of things, then I am guessing it has taken you and JKH for a self-searching ride.
Next, the end of that doesn't make any sense, so it backs up my first point.
Finally, if that is the case, then she will be back on her type-writer without a spell-checker, and not but a thesaurus and dictionary beside her, which get a glance at every now and again.
And what is with the change of subject? What could Christmas Vs. Other religions have to do with computer being Politically Correct/Crazy?

”They do not tolerate other points of view or differing opinions. It is there way and only their way to truth. “
Do I seriously need to say anything about this? Didn't think so.


”It may not be PC in any sense of the word, but I offer it anyway. I hope you won't reject it.“
We reject everything that you have helped turn into a book, and that is PCrazy on many levels.

In closing, I find that this debate, like what is probably so many before her, is simply flat. It makes no great argument, makes no real point and jumps between two different subjects at random. Help. So I wonder if should hire her to go onto a political debate for the side I don't want to win? If that works, then she might find herself out of novels and in the political seats before she knows it. But I'm rambling now. Have a nice day!

Comments

[maladaptive.livejournal.com]

I hate people who get preemptively up in arms about the subject. Get angry when you say "happy holidays" and someone gets in your face and says "It's Merry Christmas" (to better enable this, become a cashier), at least.

[mystickiwi.livejournal.com]

I always thought that Happy Holidays was the cop out so you didn't have to send people good wishes on Christmas/Hannukah AND New Years (and that if you started saying it early enough/continued it late enough you got out of making sure you got in touch with people for Thanksgiving and Valentines day).

But apparently I'm just terribly lazy and the rest of the world doesn't see it that way.

[kethryvis.livejournal.com]

The thing that kills me about the "happy holidays" "Debate" (If one can call it that) is that this particular phrase has been around forEVER and a day, and only now people are getting pissy about it?

I remember us having some wrapping paper that said "Happy Holidays" all over it, and being very young I asked my mom what that meant. Her simple answer was that because there were at least three holidays in quick succession (Thanksgiving, Xmas, New Year's... we lived in the middle of BFE Kansas at the time, I had no idea what Hanukkah was), that it was a quick way to wish someone a happy all those things.

Made sense to me then, makes even MORE sense to me now twenty*coughcoughcoughmumblecough* years later. People just need to get over themselves.

[longtail.livejournal.com]

That's what I always thought it meant too. *Shrugs* I like "Happy Holidays" it has a nice ring to it as a greeting.

[mystickiwi.livejournal.com]

It's the alliteration

[easol.livejournal.com]

I hate "Happy Holidays" because it's so bland. Booooorrrrriiiinnnngggg.

I think what makes people pissy about it is this attitude that it just screams: unless you are some sort of brain-damaged redneck boor, then you're going to be pre-sensitive about how you greet people in December.

In other words, say "Happy Holidays" not because it's a valid greeting, but because heaven forbid you say "Merry Christmas" to a Jewish person, or "Happy Hanukkah" to a Muslim one. They might get OFFENDED, and then you would have to commit seppuku, in the off chance that you have upset someone.

[brandiweed.livejournal.com]

Oh ow, I think I cut myself on your 3DG3.

[neriah.livejournal.com]

I like 'Season's Greetings' myself . I hadn't really considered if it sounds boring, I see it as simple and tasteful. It covers the whole gamit as far as I am concerned.

[tsubaki-ny.livejournal.com]

I totally see it this way. *sent out Christmas cards in April once*

[maladaptive.livejournal.com]

I'd always figured it was utilitarian for saying "happy whichever particular holiday is going down." Lately it's turn into this PC/War on Christmas bullshit, and I've started saying annoying things like "Merry Dies Invictis Solis Nati!"

[jerel.livejournal.com]

I'm not Christian, but I don't get offended at "Merry Christmas." I don't take it literally as "I hope December 25th is a good day for you"; I interpret it as "I hope your holidays are good." I don't wear a big pendant with my religious symbol on it, so there's no way for random people to know that I celebrate something else. Sure, it would be nice if there wasn't an assumption that I was Christian--but that's people for you. I just smile back and say "Thank you, and you too."

[maladaptive.livejournal.com]

Oh, I meant War on Christmas as "crazy neocons think us heathens are waging war on Christmas by saying 'happy holidays,' damn pinko scum and their political correctness!" not that there's actually a war on Christmas. XD;;

I don't mind being told to have a merry Christmas either, same as I don't care if I'm told happy holidays. I just wish it wasn't so... politicized, and that people like LKH and Darla and people like Bill O'Reilly could keep their knickers from getting in a twist about the whole thing.

[fadeinthewash.livejournal.com]

Compared to some of the online, ahem, discussions I've seen of this topic, this blog was downright non-twisted-knickersy.

[clover-elf-kin.livejournal.com]

Seconded! I had a friend who was some obscure branch of Christianity that pretended to believe in tolerance and very much DIDN'T; for some reason, they didn't celebrate Christmas or New Year's. Once when I was over, she opened a card addressed to the family, wishing them a Happy New Year. She snorted and said the person who sent it should know better by now. I had even less of a backbone at the time and I still said something like "...what's wrong with wishing you well?"

Yeah, we don't talk anymore.

[ladyvy.livejournal.com]

LoL... I get it the other way around. People who aren't Christian get really pissed when you wish them a Merry Christmas. Particularly the atheists in my experience.

[sundrymusings.livejournal.com]

I agree. I alway say Merry Christmas. It is the ones that shove their views down your throat, even after you tell them what your religious beliefs are that have a problem.