A letter, which most of you can probably disregard.

[rantingmule.livejournal.com]

First, a disclaimer: These are the words and wisdom of only this mule, and this mule is NOT the community mod or anything. However, free speech and all, so here's my two cents. Don't spend it all in one place, mmkay? ;)

Dear community spy-

You have no control over this community, just as we have no control over your forums. This community and those forums are separate sites, run by separate people and maintained for separate though superficially similar reasons, and as such they should be treated as separate entities. If you wish to police what goes on in this community, then to be fair you must allow us to do likewise on your forums. Since I highly doubt you will be asking us what your people can and cannot post about us (and "us" is defined as "people who are displeased with LKH's writing for one reason or another") then please, do NOT tell people in this community what they may or may not post about you.

Furthermore, the post(s) which you seem to be offended by are not specifically insulting or derogatory...they are, in fact, NO MORE NOR LESS than a report of TRUTH. If you don't want people knowing what you are doing or saying, then maybe you shouldn't...yanno...DO OR SAY IT IN THE FIRST PLACE.

Also, as DWG pointed out, LKH herself said that if her fans (and yes, that is what we are, FANS, so get over it. We are not "haters," we are not "trolls," we are people who have bought and read the books and in doing so brought LKH to the status she now holds, and our oppinions AS FANS (or indeed as people in general) are as valid as anyone else's!) want to vent or rant or express displeasure about the books, to do so somewhere else. Well, Spyperson, this IS the somewhere else.

Lastly, we are breaking no rules, on your forums or otherwise. There is no rule, here or there, stating that one cannot share what is said to him or her. If someone chooses to repost something someone else sent to them, or said to them, or said in ANY public or semi-public forum, that is their right. It makes you and the forum moderator or moderators who are trying to police what is and is not posted on this UNRELATED COMMUNITY look like a bunch of crazy internet stalker people. You have really tarnished whatever remained of your positive reputation by being so childish.

No love,
K. Lawrence

Comments

[defiler-wyrm.livejournal.com]

fuckin' a.

[rinkori.livejournal.com]

Oh man. It's always so silly when people get up in arms about others criticizing things they like (or, for that matter, liking what they dislike).

I like what I like, you like what you like, diversity makes the world go 'round, etc.

That said, defending LKH's writing quality, at this point, is just as silly. It's okay if you like it--god knows I enjoy a lot of bad writers! But you've gotta admit that the craft of her writing has nosedived as time has passed.

[rantingmule.livejournal.com]

Yeah...hard to defend bad spelling and comma rape. :P

[tyger-raven.livejournal.com]

I like the hitch of your wagon, my friend. I totally agree. If we all liked/disliked the same stuff, now where would the fun be in that? I say let them whine, because all it does is give the rest of us amunition to make fun of them for their whinyness.

[wickedmommy.livejournal.com]

LOL....go Mule....go Mule...It's your birthday....

Great letter!

But one thing...sense LKH is so "Uber" (snicker) sensitive about criticism...why would they won't things like we post here on her "OMG U R SO KOOL" site?

We hate her books...I can't find one redeeming thing in her last, what 8 books now? That inclues the Gentry books for me. But despite it all..I re read Guilty pleasures last night and enjoyed it.

So stuff that in orgy and screw it.

[wickedmommy.livejournal.com]

that is suppose to be Want...and that last line was directed at the Spy

[rantingmule.livejournal.com]

LOL....go Mule....go Mule...It's your birthday....

LOL, I DEMAND CAKE! XD!!!

[dracoliciousss.livejournal.com]

I was just discussing this with dwg on her journal, and i was saying that our spies aren't even stealth. There are at least three people on here with no entries, no avis and no friends other than this community. I likened them to the penguin's b-list henchmen on the old batman series, and i'll paste the rest of the convo, as it had me laughing for a full five minutes
dwg : "At this point, I'm willing to even say that the Knights Templar - while the lamest ninjas ever what with their white tunics that you can see coming toward you a mile away! are more l337 than these guys."
dracoliciousss : *snorts with laughter* they are the equivalent of the Knights Templar. I'm picturing our spies in bright tunics with "ardeur" stitched across the front, instead of the big red cross.
dwg : Naw. They'd have red hearts embroidered onto their tunics. And shields that have chartreuse kitty-cat eyes.

Their battle cry would be Micah's t-shirt slogan, only that would get Status Quo stuck in the heads of their enemies, and it would be the Quo that drives them mad and allows the Ardeur Ninjas their lame victoly. Yes. Victoly.

[oohasparklie.livejournal.com]

And shields that have chartreuse kitty-cat eyes.

*Snort* Imagining that is the most fun I've had all day.

[dracoliciousss.livejournal.com]

imagine no longer... (http://photobucket.com)

[riftwarrior.livejournal.com]

Which members?

[http://users.livejournal.com/_hallow_/]

Just a few revisions/notes:

We are fans - EX-fans or FORMER fans. Sadly.

They are a report of TRUTH - this is correct, to an extent. You have to admit, there are times when some people just go a bit overboard in their snark. They get annoyed or overly floggish and they go above and beyond and start insinuating things that aren't true. If we want our credibility to be...credible (lol), we need to be real about our complaints and say, "yes, sometimes we use exaggeration to try and get across how upset we are that our former fandom has apparently imploded into a tight, wet ball of annoyance.

[rantingmule.livejournal.com]

I was referring, specifically, to the post where someone reported that they got a warning for something said on the forum. Ergo, yes, a report of the TRUTH. ;)

[lightysnake.livejournal.com]

Do they scream "She's wet and tight" As a battlecry?
And what's this spy business?

[dwg.livejournal.com]

here (http://community.livejournal.com/lkh_lashouts/101173.html) is the news.

Just a heads up

[mercy.livejournal.com]

Please note that you have been singled out as one of the spies.

Since you just created your journal today, have no other friends except for this community and you've only ever posted here. You haven't even bothered to post in your own journal.

You seem awfully suspicious to me.

[requiella]

Why in the world do they need spys anyway? Is it sooo important to them that they read everything that is posted on the 'net about LKH? They need to get a life, seriously.
OH NOES!!!! SOMEONE DOESNT LIKE LKH!!!!! OMGZ!!!!!!!

[tyger-raven.livejournal.com]

Amen, I agree 100%

[dinsedaledarby.livejournal.com]

Spy? *is confused* what exactly would anyone spy on in this community and why? seems kinda silly

[idkmybffironman.livejournal.com]

Here's hoping they create a anti-lkh_lashouts comm in retaliation. *sniggers*

[rantingmule.livejournal.com]

I would die of laughter. No, really. XD

[infidelkast.livejournal.com]

I'm totally counting the days until it's created. Anti-anti communities blow my mind.

[infidelkast.livejournal.com]

Trolls are my favorite type of ljers. Well, now that we KNOW there are spies, maybe our opinions will finally be heard. Like, *actually* heard. Who would go to such great lengths just to monitor a snarky, harmless livejournal community?

Have these spies ever posted other comments besides that one? I remember one asked about why she couldn't view the memories or something...

[freyalorelei.livejournal.com]

I'd say I love you, but then you already know that. :)

Uhm

[ladymina.livejournal.com]

While I do see a problem with having trolls in a community, I don't think asking to take a pm down is insuating an act of spying.
And I am pretty sure if someone on the board I am modding would post pm's he got from another user, I would take them down, too. Cause PM= Private Message, they are thought to be private.
If you really need to, retell the facts, but don't copy the pm ... at least that's the rule at our board for situations like the one with the warning, for more private things it would be keep them private, start your war elsewhere.

But seriously do you really think it's so weird that they react angry? You are not allowed to post anything even remotely critic-like on the board so why should you be allowed to criticise the board itself?
Back on topic, Dear Spys, if you exist, don't get in our way. We are not harming LKH, hell we are even helping her because of our trainwreck mentality some of us still buy the books to snark about them.
No one I know of in this community would attack LKH in any way but verbally, and being an author is setting yourself up for critic, no matter what some people say. There is the job of the literal critic for a long time, because yes, you can money by giving good thoughtout (not always positive) reviews of books. You can study literature, and none of us is sitting in those courses and gushing at how good the work of so and so is, we criticise them, too. Big names like Shakespeare, Brontè, Austen, Wilde and so on. Even they are not safe from criticising literature students, or just readers, and from people dissecting their books. Not our fault that they don't get endresults like LKH. They used common grammar, spelling and plot development rules of their time. Their books had a plot. And so on and so on

This community is for the ones who want to be able and allowed to be critical about the books, and seriously with not using an editor and blatantly ignoring grammar, spelling, plot device and other rules and all critical fans you are going the wrong way.