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Link: Dead Ice: Nicky
Disclaimer: This blog entry is verbatim, as originally posted on LKH's blog. Copyright belongs to Ma Petite Enterprises.

We’re only two weeks away from Dead Ice’s publication. This blog will be the first one that doesn’t have a graphic novel image to go with it, because Nicky is one of several major characters that didn’t appear in the early books which were later turned into graphic novels. I’m trying to get images to go with Nicky and the rest, but for now his traditional lion form stands in for the other two forms.



Did you know that Nicky was going to be a major character when you created him?

Answer: No.

Secrets to Share: I didn’t expect to ever see him again because I thought Anita was going to have to kill him. He was just another sociopathic bad guy when he walked on stage from my imagination. I had no idea we were keeping him around until the very last minute and even then I had no idea that he would be in almost every book from that point on. Even keeping him, I didn’t know Nicky would go from bit player to supporting character to main character.

Question: Why did you do the rough bondage scene with Nicky and Anita in Affliction?

Answer: Because they are lovers, and both of them enjoy rough sex and bondage with each other.

Secret to Share: Nicky was fast becoming a fan favorite until I wrote that particular scene in Affliction. After the scene, a lot of the women fans disliked or even seemed to hate him. I was totally surprised by the reaction. Anita and Nicky had had rough sex before on stage, but some fans thought this scene was too much. Why? We’d had Anita tied up during sex before, and I believe that Nathaniel was even part of that scene, too, just as he was with Anita and Nicky in Affliction. So why the negative reaction? And none of the fans are angry with Nathaniel, just with Nicky, again why? The only difference I can see is that it’s a more serious breath play scene, which Nicky enjoys giving, and it was his suggestion to add that to the scene. I was very careful and very clear to have Anita and Nicky discuss what she was comfortable with beforehand. Nathaniel was there as an extra safety monitor and not just as an extra lover. I talked about safety issues, because breath play of any kind is edge play, which means it can be more dangerous. I did my due diligence on paper and Nicky and Nathaniel both watched over Anita to make sure she was all right. I talked about it, rather than just glossing over the possible problems. All three of them care for each other, and they all enjoyed the scene and the sex, so why did some people freak about it and start hating on Nicky? I don’t know, I honestly don’t, but some people who were fans of his are now literally haters of his, so apparently the scene hit issues for people.

Question: When will see Nicky interact with more of the local werelions?

Answer: In Dead Ice.

Secrets to Share: My research into real lions helped me shape Nicky taking over the local pride and how he runs it in Dead Ice. Contrary to the old idea of male lions as the “King of the Beasts” presiding over their territory and their harem of lionesses all by themselves, it’s rarely just one king. One lone male lion would be hard put to defend against all commers, most prides are run by a coalition of male lions. More detailed DNA testing has disproved another well loved theory in that the coalitions were genetically related, brothers, or at least cousins, but DNA proved that some weren’t related at all. Male lions are kicked out of the home territories as they come into sexual maturity, so they won’t compete with their father, or mate with their mother, or siblings. Theories are that the young male lions kicked out of their home territory meet up in their wanderings and find that hunting in groups helps them stay fed. They also fight as a group and that is a big plus among lions. In fact, prevailing theory is that the reason lions are social and live in groups is primarily to protect themselves from other lions. Also, if your lionesses like the lions in charge they will join the fight against intruding males. There have even been cases of lionesses banding together and fighting off males, so that they are a power unto themselves. It’s not common because the males are bigger, heavier, and just have more muscle to throw around, but the lionesses do most of the hunting. Males only usually come into their own on hunts when really big game is the main food source for the pride, like water buffalo, giraffe, and even elephants, on occasion. Real animals, and real science, helped me understand that Nicky was the muscle, but as a sociopath he emotionally couldn’t run a pride, so another male lion that was physically less able, but very good socially, joined him as part of his leadership coalition. By end of book we’ll add another, so he’s Rex, but it’s a three-for-one, not related to each other, just like a lot of real lion coalitions.

Sneak Peek from Dead Ice:

Nicky asked, “Do you mean you have pictures in your head of what you want to do to us?”

”Yes.”

”Are they your thoughts, or is someone putting them in your head?”

”I do not know, but even speaking with you now, it’s as if my pork dinner were talking back. I’d think I was mad, but I still want to eat it.”

”Eat me, you mean?” Nicky said.

”Yes, very much.” The southern drawl was thicker with every word, as if by the time he rushed us, or we shot him, he’d sound like Scarlett O’Hara.

”Interesting, Nicky, but save it,” I said.

”There won’t be a later for asking him questions.”

He was right, of course, but only a sociopath could have stood there this close, watching the process, and asked the questions that might help us understand what was happening. It was good that we had Nicky with us, because I was so spooked my mouth was dry.

Date: 2015-05-28 11:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] darkestgrace.livejournal.com
He isn't a sociopath! He has shown none of the typical personality traits of a sociopath! LKH likes throwing that word around to justify her criminals and it doesn't work. Stop calling him that. Sociopaths are not cool. And if she can make a sociopath care and love, she's doing more than just causing love, she's rewriting their brains. That's not a love potion, that's lobotomy. She's killed Nicky and replaced him with a podperson.

And why is she so shocked that people didn't like the 'breathplay'? As far as I remember (and I skimmed a lot of that book), he was strangling her. She was panicking and he was getting off on it. Nathaniel was there telling him to make her face change colour. It didn't read like consensual sex, it read like rape. Even if they were both fully consenting and knew what they were getting into, it read like a rape scene. And for a character like Nicky, who I assume fans like because he's a dangerous man who is absolutely devoted to Anita's comfort and happiness, it seemed incredibly out of character as well. I think that LKH approaches all her sex scenes from a point of view of 'I know they love each other, are into it, and everything is perfectly safe', so she doesn't realise how what she's put on the page actually comes across.

Date: 2015-05-28 07:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dreamstrifer.livejournal.com
Yes, exactly! Sociopath doesn't not equal "no emotion" anyway, it equals "no guilt" and it means low threshold for anger and frustration and a whole host of other symptoms.

That breathplay thing is so fucked up too. I never read the scene, but I had a feeling, knowing her track record, that it wasn't going to be as "okay" as she thought it was.

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Date: 2015-05-28 07:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bronzed.livejournal.com
EXACTLY! As someone who has gone through that and being strangled (at different times and more than one time with the strangling) courtesy of my exhusband, reading that would make me certainly hate that character forever for ABUSING her, and raping her, because that looks like noncon to me.

Date: 2015-05-28 11:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rodentfanatic.livejournal.com
After the scene, a lot of the women fans disliked or even seemed to hate him.

Yes, it of course had to be those icky WOMEN fans!

only a sociopath could have stood there this close, watching the process, and asked the questions that might help us understand what was happening.

Ah yes, a standard sign of the sociopath is being able to stay calm in dire, dangerous, or disgusting situations, which other people can never ever do. This is definitely what "sociopath" means. By which I mean, WHAT IS THIS BULLSHIT?

Date: 2015-05-29 03:22 am (UTC)
lliira: Fang from FF13 (Fang2)
From: [personal profile] lliira (from livejournal.com)
She seems not to know that other people are able to have feelings but manage them. Anita can't, so how can anyone else? Must be some kind of edgy darkity thing. Rather than having the emotional maturity of someone older than 2.

Date: 2015-05-28 02:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadwing.livejournal.com

I'm no Professional Domme.  But I do know enough about breath play to know how it was shown in Affliction was WRONG.


Last time I checked it is used for the pleasure of the Sub...you know the person being choked?  The scene as I remember it focused very little on Anita's pleasure and almost entirely on Nicky's pleasure. 


Nicky is a psychopath and a sadist.  An ARC of Dead Ice is out there...and Nicky gets even worse if possible.

Date: 2015-05-29 05:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] guardians-song.livejournal.com
*curious* On the Amazon forums?

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Date: 2015-05-28 02:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cygnusrex.livejournal.com
"Sociopath."

No (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcJ0YIqnD50).
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Date: 2015-05-28 02:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] snarky-imp.livejournal.com
Wait. Nicky has fans? Or had fans to lose?

Date: 2015-05-28 02:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] apep727.livejournal.com
Okay, not much to work with, but I'll give it my best shot.

Did you know that Nicky was going to be a major character when you created him?

Answer: No.


Okay, another thing I can get behind. That's happened to me in my own writing - characters who weren't supposed to be that important or interesting grab me as I develop them. Fair enough.

I didn’t expect to ever see him again because I thought Anita was going to have to kill him. He was just another sociopathic bad guy when he walked on stage from my imagination.

Wait, what? So, why didn't Anita kill him? Laurell, I know you like to "pretend" your characters are real, but they're not actually telling you the story - you're writing the story. You can change it. Oh, wait, that would require making revisions, which in turn would require you to get shit done on time, and that gets in the way of your oh-so-perfect life. Never mind.

Question: When will see Nicky interact with more of the local werelions?

Answer: In Dead Ice.


#ShamelessPlug

He was right, of course, but only a sociopath could have stood there this close, watching the process, and asked the questions that might help us understand what was happening.

LaurellAnita? Please don't treat being a "sociopath" like it's a good thing. It's not. But you'd know that if you weren't probably a sociopath/psychopath yourself.

re: the second secret

Okay, time for serious discussion. The fact that LKH apparently doesn't understand why some of her fans (and of course she has to specify that they're women, natch) were upset by the scene in question kinda scares me. I'm hoping that her not understanding is because she starts tuning people out the minute they start criticizing her work, but if not, then I'm worried. Because I doubt these fans were being in any way unclear about why it upset them so much.

Date: 2015-05-28 03:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadwing.livejournal.com

I think that in her mind for that scene since Nicky is hardwired to not kill Anita and Nate 'loves' her that is enough to keep Anita safe.


What LKH doesn't realize is that even in the most prepared BDSM situations things can still go wrong.  So indulging in a dangerous BDSM play with no plan or prep is both stupid and possibly life threatening.  Even something as 'safe' as rope play can have tragic consequences even if no harm is intended and all parties love and care for each other.


Too much pressure from Nicky in the wrong place or for too long could have given Anita brain damage at least or killed her.

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Date: 2015-05-28 03:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] suzycat.livejournal.com
I'm wondering whether by sociopath, LKH means " a bit aspie and into darkity things".

Date: 2015-05-28 03:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] suzycat.livejournal.com
WAIT.
"Scarlett O'Hara"?

Fiddle dee dee. (https://youtu.be/NUzNiY0FgVE)

Date: 2015-05-28 08:24 pm (UTC)
lliira: Fang from FF13 (Fang2)
From: [personal profile] lliira (from livejournal.com)
Scarlett O'Hara doesn't even have much of a Southern drawl. Does LKH even realize that accents in the South differ from state to state, whether you're in the city or the country, etc.? Likely not.

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Date: 2015-05-28 08:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] apep727.livejournal.com
Random tangent: it's my personal head-canon that Scarlett has a complete mental breakdown at the end of the movie. I mean, she goes through all that stuff, and then just shrugs it all off? Yeah, no.

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Date: 2015-05-28 05:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jessica collett (from livejournal.com)
Is Nicky even really a main character?

Of course the haters are icky women. Eugh women, ammirite?

That bullshit on lion biology was too dense and so badly written. Is it bullshit justification on why there can't be interesting and powerful women in the series?

Date: 2015-05-28 06:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dagonista.livejournal.com
I love* how Laurell just assumes that the only possible objection to a scene where two men choke a woman for their own pleasure without giving her the ability to tell them to stop is that people aren't down with her kinky BDSM ways. It's just another way of calling people who object to her writing "prudes" without examining the real reasons those people were uncomfortable. And of course, fuck them for being uncomfortable, because how dare they not be into the stuff that turns her and Anita on?

*hate.

Date: 2015-05-28 07:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dreamstrifer.livejournal.com
I despise her romanticizing of sociopaths. Or, as the proper term is, people with Antisocial Personality Disorder. It's not cool, it's not badass, it's FUCKING TERRIFYING. My uncle had almost every single trait of APD, and he held my grandparents at gunpoint (with his baby daughter in the house) because he was so mad my grandfather wouldn't give him drug money. My aunt (his sister) had to sneak out of the house with my cousin and ran to the church to call the cops, who sent a SWAT team to the house to take care of the situation. They talked him down with the promise of a sandwich and cigarettes. He stole my grandmother's pain medication when she was dying. He wouldn't take care of his daughter, who got bounced around from family member to family member because he wouldn't let my aunt (who called the cops) adopt her when she had every means of taking care of her and he didn't. My uncle ended up dying of a drug overdose in his forties. Sociopaths aren't assets to anybody the way LKH pretends.

Most people with APD aren't as capable as LKH think they are. Many of them can't hide it, like my uncle, so even if they're intelligent they still end up doing bullshit like my uncle did and getting themselves into trouble. They can't really plan for the future, at least not very well, because they're so focused on the here and now. Their consequences don't have actions in their minds. They have a very low threshold for dealing with frustration and anger. People that can't control anger aren't good in terrifying situations.

Date: 2015-05-29 12:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rebootfromstart.livejournal.com
This. For one thing, "sociopath" isn't a term used much in psychiatry anymore, and for another, stop fucking romanticising and downplaying mental illness, LKH. Actual people have to live with these things, and there are consequences for the other actual people around them.

(Oh, but I forgot, if mentally ill people just "worked their shit" then it'd all be fine.)

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Date: 2015-05-28 08:13 pm (UTC)
lliira: Fang from FF13 (Fang2)
From: [personal profile] lliira (from livejournal.com)
I saw the title of this post and my first thought was, "I wish I could still drink alcohol." Urgh.

The so-called "breath play scene" was an example of What Not To Do. Ever. You irresponsible ignoramus, LKH. People die during breath play when it's not done properly, and YOU DO NOT DO BREATH PLAY WITHOUT SAFE WORDS. You shouldn't do ANY BDSM without safewords, but BREATH PLAY ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME PEOPLE WOULD DIE IF THEY FOLLOWED YOUR ADVICE. It doesn't matter how much they care for each other or how much they enjoy it. There is this thing called an "accident". I can't believe I have to use this phrase in this context, but intent is not fucking magic.

But I'm not a "hater" of Nicky, because Nicky is a total nonentity. Anita mindwiped him. He only does what she wants. He's literally nothing but a walking sex toy. I hate that LKH wrote him and thinks this is so edgy and awesome, but I only feel sorry for him.

My research into real lions

You mean calendars? Because if you did any more research than that, it sure didn't make it into your books.

Date: 2015-05-28 08:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] darkestgrace.livejournal.com
I don't understand how LKH can claim on one hand that her therianthrope groups are completly like their real lide counterparts, and then have leopards living in giant groups.

I'm tossing around ideas for an urban fantasy where wereleopards exist but are rare. Not because the disease is harder to catch than other strains, but because the instincts are so hard to deal with. Leopards are solitary, and humans are social creatures, and the two conflicting sets of instincts are almost impossible to reconcile. Wereleopards can't hold down office jobs, or any kind of job that requires them to be around people, so most work from home if they possibly can. Most struggle with romantic relationships, because the wereleopard side does not like having a permanent partner. There are therapists who deal specifically with wereleopards, and suport groups which primarily operate online. Businesses trying to cash in offer weekend retreats in the wilderness. Most business fire people wereleopards, after a couple of very well-publicised cases where one shifted and massacred everyone in the building. It's becoming common practice after a business won a court case where they claimed it was for the safety of their other employees.

But that isn't as interesting as rape and murder.

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Date: 2015-05-28 10:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadwing.livejournal.com

I actually went back to the Amazon flogs.  The scene was worse than I remember. 


The plan is for Anita to be bound, gagged with Nicky choking her.  While Nate bites her breasts till they bleed.  Anita says that if they do that she won't be able to say the safe word or signal them to stop.  To which Nate replies "That's the idea."


And she goes ahead ANYWAY because it's on Nate's Bucket List and she needs to feed the Ardon't ANYWAY...


*TWITCH*


I'll stop now

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Date: 2015-05-29 05:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dwg.livejournal.com
Anita mindwiped him. He only does what she wants. He's literally nothing but a walking sex toy.

That right there is my issue with Nicky. LKH is trying to peddle that they're so in love and so into the same things and I'm just "REMEMBER THAT TIME WHEN ANITA RAPED HIM AND TOOK AWAY HIS FREE WILL BECAUSE SHE THOUGHT IT'D BE FUN AND TOTALLY GOT OFF ON IT?" Which I'm pretty sure is not a good foundation for a healthy relationship.

Then again, LKH has really sketchy ideas as to what constitutes consent, so of course we're supposed to buy that he's totally the bad boy transformed by the love of a good woman.

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Date: 2015-05-28 08:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beroli.livejournal.com

The southern drawl was thicker with every word, as if by the time he rushed us, or we shot him, he’d sound like Scarlett O’Hara.

...the fuck did I just read?

Date: 2015-05-29 05:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] guardians-song.livejournal.com
Oh no! He's a Weresoutherner! (Fetishized, "Southern Gothic" subtype.) Quick, someone shoot him with silver bullets, or, on the night of the full moon, he'll spontaneously sprout a manor, bleed sweet tea, and be unable to talk on any subject without launching into a tangential spiel about the forty-seventh member of his absurdly huge and moderately inbred extended family!
Edited Date: 2015-05-29 05:20 am (UTC)

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Date: 2015-05-29 07:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] duamuteffe.livejournal.com
I can't believe this needs to be spelled out for the author, but the reason many of us don't like Nicky is that 1) he was mindwiped and turned into a slave with literally no will of his own, and the author thinks this is not a moral dilemma as long as he's (of all things) happy, as though being happy is the be-all and end-all of morality, and 2) that all of his instincts for random violence are treated as completely positive and with no potential downsides by the main character, who is always treated in-universe as correct. Also the author clearly is internally uncomfortable about his lack of ethics so she attempts to paint him as a tragic figure, warped into viciousness by his mother through no fault of his own. She wants him to be a remorseless killer, but also doesn't want him to be responsible for anything he does, so she tries to use the "but he was abused!!1!" trope to avoid Nicky being responsible for his past actions and thus being a bad person. For some reason, she wants the trappings of nastiness on him but an escape route when that starts to unnerve her.
Honestly the only unifying theme in the books any more is a lack of responsibility; everything in-universe around the main characters is designed to allow them to do whatever they feel like at that moment, without taking responsibility for it in any fashion. It's a very childlike fantasy world in a way.

Date: 2015-05-29 08:07 pm (UTC)
lliira: Fang from FF13 (Fang2)
From: [personal profile] lliira (from livejournal.com)
Yeah, Anita doesn't even take responsibility for eating. She has to be badgered into doing it, and only relents when she's so hungry that the only solution is fast food. Though I can't recall her admitting to being hungry. It's not her that needs to be "fed", it's the ardeur.

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