troofan are everywhere...

[flaveur.livejournal.com]

I'm a french speaking person, so I browse sometimes the site of the french editor, waiting with glee when the time will come for the ex-fans to come forth and surround the french-fans. 
And the time has come ! I personnaly think the time of translated Anita is counted. (in french, we have not all the grammatical error) and the translater can do only better job than LHK, don't you think... like a editor LHK need so much !

Some time ago, a troo came and tried to pass a pep talk. Saying that french are prude, and so mean, especially when so many forum in english are so fan of God-Hamilton.
HA ! DOn't think so, but I want to be sure, are there so many places speaking so hightly of Hamilton and her work (places with people who have a mind above eighteen and a sense of what is good writer, bad writer ?)
.. oh, and the offical forum is out of the concours, of course.
Âre those places more numbered than the haters ?

This troo was saying that Hamilton was not directed at teenagers, and I Doubt it pretty much, thank you. That profusion of longs hairs, colored eyes and big girlys lashes ? Please. YOu think it's pretty when you're less than eighteen. With unicorn and lot of make-up too.

Also, I think that the amazon flog is a little too much haters of the personn of Laurell, sometimes. Critizism of writing books, especially bad writing is ok, maybe some things she say in her blog are, too, but not to take every thing she tweet or blog and make it stupid, when it's only ordinary. Even when she make it easy, sometimes.
Sorry for any writing mistakes, I don't write a lot in english, only read, read, read. And read.
 

Comments

[flaveur.livejournal.com]

Oh, and I took the huge liberty to review the first chapter of Bullet in the french editor forum. I'M sorry, but what Hamilton write is not worthy to be translated anymore.
Too bad for the translator's check, but this editor don't have to put up with a spot so bad in his somewhat good enough reputation. (I suggested Jim Hines and Carriger to remplace Hamilton, not a bad deal, I think.)

[lilitu93.livejournal.com]

I'm no longer a fan of Hamilton's (hence being on this forum), but there are those of us well past the teen years who still like the "pretty boys", including myself. Witness the popularity of bishounen in anime and manga fandom.

What really amazes me is that Hamilton manages to make my "type" so unnatractive, due to her bad writing and characterisation. (OK, so I like them taller than she writes them, but still.)

As for teenagers reading Hamilton, I don't think she's aiming at them, but I'm sure they're reading her. As long as they have some idea of the difference between fantasy and reality, I'm not sure it's too big a deal. My generation all read Flowers in the Attic, and we all turned out all right for the most part.

[acrimonyastraea.livejournal.com]

I'm no longer a fan of Hamilton's (hence being on this forum), but there are those of us well past the teen years who still like the "pretty boys", including myself. Witness the popularity of bishounen in anime and manga fandom.

What really amazes me is that Hamilton manages to make my "type" so unnatractive, due to her bad writing and characterisation. (OK, so I like them taller than she writes them, but still.)

Yes, me too and I'm 33. I love anime bishonen and I get a little annoyed at all the complaints that her series is filled with them and therefore bad. It's her writing that makes them bad (and lack of variety), not the long hair and pretty faces.

[sehkmetschild.livejournal.com]

I agree. I'm older than 33 and I love pretty men.... I also love pretty women, but who's to say the two are related?

[acrimonyastraea.livejournal.com]

:D me too!

[poor-toms-acold.livejournal.com]

Motto!

[lilitu93.livejournal.com]

Exactly! I'm 38, and in theory, I should love her boys, and I did like them in the earlier books, even if they weren't great literature, but she's gone down hill so much that I no longer like them at all (the books or the men).

[acrimonyastraea.livejournal.com]

I loved the characters in the early books because yes, they are exactly my type as a anime/yaoi fan. But then she ruined them and spread a lot of misogyny and homophobia around while she was at it.

[flaveur.livejournal.com]

Long hair is ok with me. It's the hair longer than butt that's not ok. Seriously, have you EVER saw a man with hairs this long ? Except the ones with dread-lock, of cours.
I pride myself to have good general taste, and can make a difference between a good bishounen, see fruit basket, not all the same, but not too girly, and for the bad... all those guys with sooooooo loooong leg, very thin hips and legs, larges chests and no abs. it's so bad ! Eurk !

The Hamilton's Ideal tend toward Justin Brieber and the leader of Tokyo Hotel bastarded with Rahan or Conan in the fake gothic-emo style, for what I see. I pretty much like Rahan, but not the other two, nor Conan.

Edward was one I liked. Not overly descripted, withouth weird colors, sort of like Ranger, in the plum series, but a little less powerfull in the muscle departement.
Hamilton HAVE to give him to Jim Butcher. I'm sure he can make somthing with him. Maybe in cooperation with the Rat's King ? And several Pinguins.
In the next book, LHK wil go with wing predators, I'm sure. Like Eagles, Hawks or Crows.....

[acrimonyastraea.livejournal.com]

In a book that's supposed to take place in our world I agree that hair that's excessively long, and a lack of variety is a symptom of bad writing. If she wants to write her ideal and fantasies, she just shouldn't act like she is a serious writer of genre fiction. She is a fantasy-fulfillment writer at this point.

I like the looks of the Tokyo Hotel singer! I have very bad taste and I'm good with that. But I also have something LKH doesn't: a sense of humor about myself.

[magdalen77.livejournal.com]

Bishie boys aren't really my "type", but I do like some anime and some yaoi that certainly feature them. If LKH wouldn't describe each of the bois hair color and eye color everytime they enter a scene I'd probably hate them less.

[gwynethfar.livejournal.com]

Your English is better than my French, so you're okay by me.

Seriously, though, someone said that the French were prudes? Were they talking about an alternate universe France or something?

[world-dancer.livejournal.com]

Umm yeah, that was my thought.

My understanding is that throughout much of Europe, Americans are viewed as prudish over the topic of sex.

And having actually been to France and seen some of the relaxed feelings toward sex there, I really can't see the French people as a group being prudes.

[magdalen77.livejournal.com]

It's probably because the French didn't fall down and worship her edgy, sexiness when she was in France. Hence they must be prudey-prudes, not that the stuff she's writing isn't shocking or sexy to them.

[flaveur.livejournal.com]

Thank.
The important part is that you understand me.
I was a little miffed, there, with that prude comment, even if I'm not from France, I'm close, and the mentality is pretty much the same lax. And the forum one too.

Anyone Who know those forum this troo was speaking about ? Maybe make a list of the more important ones ? And compare with the Un-LHKish ?

[mourning-night.livejournal.com]

This troo was saying that Hamilton was not directed at teenagers, and I Doubt it pretty much, thank you. That profusion of longs hairs, colored eyes and big girlys lashes ? Please. YOu think it's pretty when you're less than eighteen. With unicorn and lot of make-up too.


I completely agree with you.

[world-dancer.livejournal.com]

That is an interesting point which hadn't occurred to me before, that the books are actually geared toward teenagers. And the idea that the girly-man descriptions are proof of that. Well. It's something I'll have to think about.

But by American publishing standards, I have to tell you that it is geared toward adults. Sex is only just starting to be kind of acceptable in books for older teens. Group sadomasochistic sex is not parent/society approved teen reading material.

[lady-fellshot.livejournal.com]

I just had this image of someone throwing a big can of glitter at all of LKH's male characters and throwing them to the Twilight fans. XD

[pandaemonaeum.livejournal.com]

I agree that whilst LKH may not be marketing her books to teenagers, there is an awful lot in them that must appeal to teenage girls. AB gets away with everything; she rarely has to face the consequences of her actions. She sleeps around and no-one castigates her; she lords it around over a huge group of people on a complete power trip; many of her relationships are infantile , especially when compared with the early books, where AB had real, adult problems, like work-life balance and paying her bills, the perils of dating and her difficulties in reconciling her lifestyle with her neighbours.

I don't agree that growing out of liking men with long hair, big eyes and long eyelashes is what makes you an adult woman. I know a lot of men who could fit that description very easily but still look like mature men :) not teenaged boys. I think the kind of boyband prettiness LKH describes in the harem is quite sterile and sexless to be honest.

I agree with the poster who said "In what alternative universe are the French considered prudish?" as in the UK 'French' has always been used as a euphemism for 'licentious'. :)

[ladyniko.livejournal.com]

"I agree with the poster who said "In what alternative universe are the French considered prudish?" as in the UK 'French' has always been used as a euphemism for 'licentious'. :)"

Yes, yes, and yes! :)

Dear OP - Your English, is again, better than my French! (German yes, French no... *lol*)

As others have said, LKH isn't aiming for teenagers, at least not consciously. However, as was pointed out by Pandaemonaeum, she's not taking responsibility for her actions or facing any sort of consequences for it. Therefore, why shouldn't teenagers be attracted to her books?

I do have to pity the poor translator who has to work their way through the garbage LKH puts out. At least, it's more mentally stimulating than translating a tire balancing machine manual or software for a program on doing a car's alignment. (This I know - I worked for a time overseeing translations of that sort of thing. *laugh*)

[flaveur.livejournal.com]

Your English, is again, better than my French! (German yes, French no... *lol*)

Thank you,
I write it better than I prononce it. I tend to mix english in my german, and the other side too - they're so similar, sometimes, - when I have to speak it. And my accent is pretty awful - not enough practice, I believe - But not so much than russian accent.

[nialla]

LKH thinks she's writing for mature readers, and she's ever so "edgy" in her writing the idea of teens reading it is almost offensive.

Based on what I've seen in my library, the adults have drifted away from reading the series (or continue like they're watching a train wreck, but at least they don't have to pay for it here).

Teens are coming to the series, though they're skipping those boring early books that don't have sex scene after sex scene. They're just in it to read the sex, and have no idea there's so many books with much better writing in general and for sex scenes. They'll figure it out later. ;)

[queenofquails.livejournal.com]

Teens are coming to the series, though they're skipping those boring early books that don't have sex scene after sex scene. They're just in it to read the sex, and have no idea there's so many books with much better writing in general and for sex scenes. They'll figure it out later.

This sums up my relationship history with LKH's work. I am very happy I grew out of it.

[nialla]

I figure it's just like any other "naughty" book that teens hear about. They have to read it as part of being a teen wanting to know more about sex. At that point, plot isn't necessary for them.

[magdalen77.livejournal.com]

Yep, back when I was a teenager, when dinosaurs roamed the earth, the big naughty scene to read was the one sex scene in The Godfather. If you went to any library back in the early '70s and tested to see what pages the book opened on, I'd bet you'd find it opened on that scene.

[daphne-gateau.livejournal.com]

This post is interesting and makes me think about two things I hadn't considered before..

1. I tend to agree with the comment about her men appealing to teenagers. It's not that a grown woman might not find them attractive, but when you are describing a supposed cross-section of grown men in an american city a group of petite, long haired pretty boys isn't the reality. You are much more likely to get a group of long haired pretty boys that are, well, boys to begin with -- teenagers.

And I don't think she is trying to write for the teen market -- I think she can't help herself. She is so dedicated to writing out her fantasy and we have seen in the storylines that younger males are at least a subconscious interest of hers, I wouldn't be surprised to hear there is a correlation between her going from writing adult men that are described with the attributes better associated with younger males (Nathaniel is a clear example) and teens to actually including teenage boys in Anita's male entourage.

2. You are lucky to have an editor come between you and Hamilton's books! lol I wonder if they are improved upon by those editors? I've thought for a while that Hamilton's stories might really be helped by a large dose of editing. I guess your French editor can't add in plot when it's not there though. Sad. You are lucky to escape the typos.

[flaveur.livejournal.com]

I don't, I've stopped reading all that since... well the twelve ? And the repetitives term are less there to annoy, without the grammatical error, and the french error, too. Ardeur is ardeur, not arduer, ardueur, or other stupide mistake an author.
I read the first chapter available in her site for several of hers books, for fun. And that enough for me, please.
I take great pleasure to see the trainwreck that lead to bookflog, and if I want Bad Porn, you have enough movie porn outside in the net (good porn movie is really rare). When I read, I want good porn. It's like telepathie, it's somtimes easier to write than to show.

I know Hamilton is sure to be writing for adult, but the style is so more what a teenager seek.
After all, when you see the stupid shows MTV make for teenagers, or the clips, you can't say it's less offensif than what you read in Blake or Gentry.

[flaveur.livejournal.com]

I have to add another thing.
Hamilton was never a very good writer, even in the first books. I considered her to be with very good potential, to praise if she mature. She didn't. It's her Anitaverse that was good, never the plot, the dialogues or the flow of words, even in french. It's a shame for the wonderful Anitaverse, with so much possibilities.
Shame, shame, shame on her !

She merite to be on Failblog. Badly.

And in other side, I hope she continue longer, because that trainwreck is so cool to watch plundge in the abyss. Hehehehehe.

[dwg.livejournal.com]

I've been wondering for a while if the translations of LKH books keep in all run-on sentences and erroneous commas, or if the translator manages to clean up some of the language so it makes senes. Apparently not, at least not in Francais.

I dread to think of what you'd think about the French that gets used in the books. And by dread, I mean interested.

Me too

[gatitagitanilla.livejournal.com]

She added some spanish into Bullet, calling Anita "Negra gatita" and I was annoyed because in Spanish the adjective comes afterwards so it would be "Gatita negra". Every student I've tutored in Spanish learned this in their first year of studying and a simple search on the internet would show how to correctly write it.

Re: Me too

[magdalen77.livejournal.com]

LKH can't be bothered to get languages right, she's too busy describing for the umpteenth time how Nathaniel reeks of vanilla, Micah has kitty-cat eyes and JC is wearing thigh high laced up boots. Oh and his hair foams like, er black foam or something.