Snark/Review of Jason
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I couldn't resist snarking the new novella, and brought it over here to share. (It's also posted on my own LJ.)
Summary:
There is a lot that is not in this one.
Characters who do NOT appear: Richard, Micah, Cynric, Jean-Claude, Dev, Nicky.
However, there is also no real plot. As usual, it's all about Anita.
She has, however, made Cynric 19 (so now he's legal) but he's still a senior in high school.
Enjoy!
PS: Mods, I didn't tag because I couldn't remember if you wanted us to or if you would. My apologies if I made the wrong choice!
LKH is in italics. I am in normal.
I shrugged. “Yes, sometimes, not every night, but yeah.”
She shivered. “Fine, Anita, you want to be direct, I can be direct. I had to tell him to stop, or ease up, constantly last night. He’d been great, the sex would be wonderful, he’d bring me to orgasm and then he’d start being too rough again, as if once he made me come he thought it earned him the right to be too rough and hurt me.”
“Most women can take rougher intercourse after enough foreplay,” Jason said. “He wasn’t trying to be mean, just thought he’d done enough prep work to have sex the way he wanted to have it, and you’d enjoy it, too.”
“Well, I didn’t, and I had to keep telling him to stop. I finally told him to get off me, that was it.”
“Do you mean for last night, or do you mean done as in done forever?” I asked.
She looked at me, and her eyes darkened the way that human eyes do when they start to get angry. “Forever. The sex is amazing if he can control himself, but he’s so big that if he just starts pounding it hurts, and it drowns out all the orgasms, or even stops me from orgasming, because it hurts too much.”
“I’m not overly fond of it,” Envy said, “but that may be because you can never take a shower without a man thinking you want sex.”
She looked at all of us, frowning. “I don’t understand what that has to do with him and Nathaniel not getting along.”
“I won,” Nathaniel said.
“Won what?”
“Anita, being permanently in her life, being her main squeeze, her person, hers, and she’s mine. Micah and I have what Richard wants.”
“You mean Anita.”
He shrugged, and half-nodded. “Anita, and a life that works, and makes us all happy.”
“He’s sleeping with Anita, and he could still have a life with someone else.”
“He could, but no one is Anita.”
That made me uncomfortable, and I fought not to squirm. “It’s not like that.”
“What?” Envy asked.
“You know how most women walk into a room and assess the beauty in the room to see where they rate, and who might give them a run for their money?” Jason asked.
“Sure,” Envy said.
“A lot of men do the same thing, but they’re not looking at who’s better-looking, they’re assessing threats, physical potential.”
“Are you serious?” she asked.
“Absolutely,” I said.
“That’s just fucked up,” she said.
“Insulting us is not going to win you points,” I said.
“Sorry, but I just don’t understand. How do you really feel about loving people because they’re ruthless?”
“Safer,” Nathaniel said.
“Let’s go with Domino and Envy’s agenda item first,” he said, and gave a half smile with it.
“There’s an agenda with line items?” I said.
He laughed. “You should see your face, so woebegone.”
“I hate meetings.” I brought both my hands up to raise my coffee to my mouth. I didn’t want to touch anyone right that minute. I felt like they were ganging up on me, managing me, and I didn’t like it. Nathaniel put his hand on my thigh underneath the table, rubbing gently on it through the silk of my robe. I fought the urge to push his hand away. I wanted him to touch me, but I didn’t like realizing that everyone at this table knew the topic of conversation except me.
I thought about that for a moment. Was that true? Was my encouraging them to find other lovers a way of getting them out of my bed, if not my life?
“I hadn’t realized I was doing that, but no one person, not even me, can truly date this many people. I can fuck, but I can’t do the emotional stuff, the cute stuff, the things that really make it a relationship; there just isn’t enough of me to go around like that. I’m feeling pressured by everyone to take care of them, and I’ve reached a limit. I can’t take care of this many people as intimately as most of you want me to, I just don’t know how to do that. I asked Jean-Claude and even he didn’t know how to have real relationships with this many people, and he’s been a ladies’ man, and a gentlemen’s man, for centuries.”
“I hadn’t really thought about it from that perspective. I don’t think . . . no, I know I couldn’t date this many people, but they’re all metaphysically tied to you and Jean-Claude and Micah, and there’s no untying those bindings except by death,” Envy said.
I looked from one to the other. “Wow, Jason, just wow, that’s awesome; would you be the first lycanthrope allowed in an all-human dance company?” He nodded.
“That would really help lycanthropes be more accepted,” Envy said.
I shrugged. “He didn’t have time to see Envy, date the new mundane chick, and fit BDSM booty calls into his schedule. He has a full-time job and a lot of family obligations with his parents and siblings in town.”
He laughed, hugged me, and kissed my cheek. “That is the healthiest analogy I’ve ever heard from any girl. You really don’t compare yourself to other people?”
“Not to women who are too different from my body type, no.”
From behind me Nathaniel said, “Agreed.”
“How do we stop all the talking and get to the sex?” Jason asked.
“I don’t do a lot of bondage, but I don’t see strap-ons as bondage.”
“Po-tay-toe, po-tah-to,” I said.
She nodded. “One person’s sex is another person’s kink, I get that.”
“Also, Jade is so submissive that even if I had found a woman I was willing to let top me, it would never be her.”
Nathaniel hugged me. “I told you that you weren’t.”
“But you love me, and you’re not a girl.”
J.J. smiled. “No, you’re not being all stupid straight girl. You’re actually being very responsible and trying your best, which is a hell of a lot more than most lovers do.”
“Thanks.”
“You’re welcome. I would be honored to try to help you do oral sex with Jade, but how different are you and Jade on oral sex?”
They had a long look between them, and it was Nathaniel who said, “We’re best friends, and you can’t be best friends if you’re fucking each other. It messes up the friendship.”
“Some couples are best friends,” she said.
“No,” Nathaniel said, “once you love each other like that, you can’t be true best friends.”
“Best friends are who you bitch to about your lovers,” Jason said. “Can’t do that if your best friend is your lover. It gets in the way.”
“That’s different from mouth-fucking,” I said.
She looked puzzled.
“You really haven’t been with that many men, have you?”
“Not in a decade, and honestly, high school boys just didn’t interest me that much, except for Jason.”
“I’m not saying no to vigorous oral sex from Jason, but unless I’m in the right mood, mouth-fucking is sort of an endurance sport, and it might distract me enough that I will take a long time to go from oral myself.”
She nodded.
“Gotta say it out loud, J.J., no misunderstandings.”
“If everyone is okay with it, I’d like to try”—she blushed harder, and then went pale—“having intercourse with Nathaniel.”
Jason grinned. “I’m okay with it.”
“Really?” she asked, looking up at him.
He nodded. “Really.”
“So we’re going to daisy-chain us all,” I said.
“Maybe, or maybe we’ll just break into couples again,” J.J. said. “But you with Nathaniel and me with Jason,” I said.
“You’re usually the more the merrier,” I said.
“Only with people who work their issues. It would be great to find a woman to add to us. It would make most of the other men incredibly happy, but Jade isn’t the woman to help make us all happier.”
I cuddled Nathaniel’s arms around me tighter.
“Did you hear what you said, just now?” J.J. asked. I looked at her.
“I said I was breaking up with Jade.”
“No, you said you ‘get to’ break up with her. That implies you don’t really want to have sex with her, let alone date her.”
No ardeur.
No Richard.
No Micah.
No Cynric.
No Jean-Claude.
No references to "creamy goodness" or other references to Anita's impossible anatomy (muscular but dainty, not weigh very much but have a EEE rack).
No super-detailed descriptions of BAD clothing.
No pissing contests with law enforcement types.
No pretense at plot.
But it still wasn't good.
Summary:
There is a lot that is not in this one.
Characters who do NOT appear: Richard, Micah, Cynric, Jean-Claude, Dev, Nicky.
However, there is also no real plot. As usual, it's all about Anita.
She has, however, made Cynric 19 (so now he's legal) but he's still a senior in high school.
Enjoy!
PS: Mods, I didn't tag because I couldn't remember if you wanted us to or if you would. My apologies if I made the wrong choice!
LKH is in italics. I am in normal.
So, in some respects, this one is an improvement. It’s honest about just being a sex-fest without pretending to have a bigger plot, unless you count “working issues” as plot. (Hint: I don’t.) Plus, this one still suffers from unfortunate word choices which make “sexy scenes” not sexy.
Rather than snarking the plot as a whole (even when one exists), I like to just snark the unfortunate passages.
I have not edited LKH, all errors appear in the Kindle edition.
We were all polyamorous, which means to love more, so everyone knew what and who everyone else was doing, but that didn’t mean there weren’t moments when too much sharing was, well, too much.
- No, these characters aren’t based on LKH/LKH’s life at all… She's recently come out as being poly, possibly due to the fact that her child is now an adult. However, she likes to present herself as the end-all be-all expert on...well, everything really. But right now, especially the polyamorous angle, which unlike the poly people I know in real life seems to be all about the wild kinky sex they have in groups and how everyone is mean to them for being so awesome.
- Good news: Richard is not in this book.
- Bad news: Character assassination in his absence is still on the menu, along with requisite “Poor Richard” conversation about how much he is missing out on because he can’t “work his shit out”.
- Also, in light of the Richard = Gary theory, I find this part very interesting, and wonder if it’s related to the fact that their daughter is now a legal, college-attending, living away from home adult. Also, do I detect some wisftulness in that tone? (For those unfamiliar with LKH, Gary is her ex-husband who many believe played a role in the development of the series.)
I shrugged. “Yes, sometimes, not every night, but yeah.”
She shivered. “Fine, Anita, you want to be direct, I can be direct. I had to tell him to stop, or ease up, constantly last night. He’d been great, the sex would be wonderful, he’d bring me to orgasm and then he’d start being too rough again, as if once he made me come he thought it earned him the right to be too rough and hurt me.”
“Most women can take rougher intercourse after enough foreplay,” Jason said. “He wasn’t trying to be mean, just thought he’d done enough prep work to have sex the way he wanted to have it, and you’d enjoy it, too.”
“Well, I didn’t, and I had to keep telling him to stop. I finally told him to get off me, that was it.”
“Do you mean for last night, or do you mean done as in done forever?” I asked.
She looked at me, and her eyes darkened the way that human eyes do when they start to get angry. “Forever. The sex is amazing if he can control himself, but he’s so big that if he just starts pounding it hurts, and it drowns out all the orgasms, or even stops me from orgasming, because it hurts too much.”
- Is Richard the only character who’s not constantly talking and negotiating during sex? Jason’s whole line (especially since Jason is generally not-negative about Richard) is just ridiculous. However, good for Envy actually standing up for herself.
- If you’re consistently too rough with your partner, you’re not a good partner (especially as this sounds like a continuing thing).
- “Prep work” is one of her overused and unsexy phrases. Every time I see it, I picture knives and onions and maybe some raw chicken, not sexy times. I picture Nate in his apron with some lavendar dishwashing gloves (yes, I have a pair in that shade) and his apron and pearls. It also makes me feel like she considers foreplay just one of those things you have to do and get it over, instead of enjoyable for its own sake.
“I’m not overly fond of it,” Envy said, “but that may be because you can never take a shower without a man thinking you want sex.”
- If you can’t get in the shower without a man trying to have sex with you, you need a new place to live.
- I’m picturing a shower alarm that goes off, so everyone knows there’s a shower with an available woman.
- This is probably the one funny Nate line in the whole book.
She looked at all of us, frowning. “I don’t understand what that has to do with him and Nathaniel not getting along.”
“I won,” Nathaniel said.
“Won what?”
“Anita, being permanently in her life, being her main squeeze, her person, hers, and she’s mine. Micah and I have what Richard wants.”
“You mean Anita.”
He shrugged, and half-nodded. “Anita, and a life that works, and makes us all happy.”
“He’s sleeping with Anita, and he could still have a life with someone else.”
“He could, but no one is Anita.”
That made me uncomfortable, and I fought not to squirm. “It’s not like that.”
- Considering who Richard and Nate/Micah are based on, chalk up another obligatory swipe at the ex-husband, and the implication that he’s still unhappy because he can’t have Anita.
- “No one is Anita.” Let’s all drink to that. (“No one else is Anita” would be more correct, however.)
- Good news: Micah is not in the book. In the words of LKH/Anita: “Yay, so very yay!” No kitty-cat eyes, no two-liter members, and significantly less implication that Micah is actually a character anyone should actually care about.
- Why can’t this plot just go where all the other plots have gone to DIE?
“What?” Envy asked.
“You know how most women walk into a room and assess the beauty in the room to see where they rate, and who might give them a run for their money?” Jason asked.
“Sure,” Envy said.
“A lot of men do the same thing, but they’re not looking at who’s better-looking, they’re assessing threats, physical potential.”
- What women do this BS? Do all the fights take place in a club…oh wait, never mind. Sorry, forgot what series this is!
- Bigger men underrating smaller people’s capabilities in a fight is something that happens, but not as much as she thinks it is.
- This phrase. Kill it with fire. The whole "X gave wide eyes" or "gave blank face" constructions need to Go Away.
“Are you serious?” she asked.
“Absolutely,” I said.
- Again, something to be said for a smaller fighter needing to be quicker (not necessarily more ruthless) than a bigger fighter, but not to the extent that she takes it to.
- What about either of these two in recent books makes you think they’re ruthless? Micah is either fighting or screwing his way to leadership, and Anita can't make a personal decision without constant agony and analysis.
“That’s just fucked up,” she said.
“Insulting us is not going to win you points,” I said.
“Sorry, but I just don’t understand. How do you really feel about loving people because they’re ruthless?”
“Safer,” Nathaniel said.
- Envy is all about telling it like it is. Their dynamic is severely fucked up. Too bad she’s stuck ushering in “As you know, Bob” dialogue.
- It’s special alright. It’s about as special as waking your partner up when you get out of bed in the middle of the night so they won’t worry.
- You can’t avoid conflict for a whole series, and that is one of the major issues for what this series has devolved into.
- But I thought polyamory was the best way ever… Also, how sad is it that she puts a higher value on sex than on other things that actually make relationships work?
“Let’s go with Domino and Envy’s agenda item first,” he said, and gave a half smile with it.
“There’s an agenda with line items?” I said.
He laughed. “You should see your face, so woebegone.”
“I hate meetings.” I brought both my hands up to raise my coffee to my mouth. I didn’t want to touch anyone right that minute. I felt like they were ganging up on me, managing me, and I didn’t like it. Nathaniel put his hand on my thigh underneath the table, rubbing gently on it through the silk of my robe. I fought the urge to push his hand away. I wanted him to touch me, but I didn’t like realizing that everyone at this table knew the topic of conversation except me.
- Here’s one of the other big issues. As much as Anita complains about “being managed”, she refuses to be an adult and manage herself. I’m going to guess that this is related to LKH’s dislike of being “managed” which I would argue could be avoided by doing what she’s supposed to. Since she won’t deal with anything without being forced to, management is necessary.
- She’s right to be annoyed about Nate, since he is easily the most manipulative character in the book.
- That being said, this was actually funny for a minute.
- No one is as dark and edgy as Anita!
I thought about that for a moment. Was that true? Was my encouraging them to find other lovers a way of getting them out of my bed, if not my life?
“I hadn’t realized I was doing that, but no one person, not even me, can truly date this many people. I can fuck, but I can’t do the emotional stuff, the cute stuff, the things that really make it a relationship; there just isn’t enough of me to go around like that. I’m feeling pressured by everyone to take care of them, and I’ve reached a limit. I can’t take care of this many people as intimately as most of you want me to, I just don’t know how to do that. I asked Jean-Claude and even he didn’t know how to have real relationships with this many people, and he’s been a ladies’ man, and a gentlemen’s man, for centuries.”
“I hadn’t really thought about it from that perspective. I don’t think . . . no, I know I couldn’t date this many people, but they’re all metaphysically tied to you and Jean-Claude and Micah, and there’s no untying those bindings except by death,” Envy said.
- In light of this, I wonder if there are some polyamorous relationship growing pains going on in LKH-land.
- Also, despite the fact that the book is called JASON, one of the main running plots is how Anita’s just at her limit for dealing with people.
- LKH, the 1980s are calling…on their rotary phone. (Yes, there’s still expectations in some quarters that women will make compromises, but for characters who are younger than me, it’s a little jarring.)
I looked from one to the other. “Wow, Jason, just wow, that’s awesome; would you be the first lycanthrope allowed in an all-human dance company?” He nodded.
“That would really help lycanthropes be more accepted,” Envy said.
- This is ridiculous. There’s a pretty big difference between a trained ballet dancer and an exotic dancer with some dance classes. (Not to knock the skills needed as an exotic dancer, but not on the same level.) This is, however, the same woman who thinks ballerinas need male partners to be real dancers.
- Again, this plot is supposed to be about Jason, but as usual it’s all about Anita.
- Pretty much. There's references to edge-play, which I don't think we've seen in the books, and I don't think the breath-play will come back after the reaction a lot of readers had to it. (For those who missed it, it included the immortal line from Nicky: "Make her face change colors" because they're choking her.)
- If you’ve seen any pictures of LKH and her husband dressed up, you’re laughing hysterically over this too. The thing is that this is presented as a matter of fact statement and not as a joke.
- Apparently in this reality they haven’t discovered color-stay lipstick? Maybe the person who invented it was killed in a lyncanthrope attack? Seriously, this is a running theme that I just don’t get, and I WEAR lipstick and kiss men. Yet I’ve never gotten it all over anyone else. These passages make me miss the old Anita, who wore jeans and polos and Nikes.
- I feel like this is one of the truest things that she has ever written.
- Example 5000 of how Anita is more special/better than everyone else.
- If I was a “guy”, I’d be insulted by this whole thing.
I shrugged. “He didn’t have time to see Envy, date the new mundane chick, and fit BDSM booty calls into his schedule. He has a full-time job and a lot of family obligations with his parents and siblings in town.”
- Example 5000 of how f-ed up their group dynamics are.
He laughed, hugged me, and kissed my cheek. “That is the healthiest analogy I’ve ever heard from any girl. You really don’t compare yourself to other people?”
“Not to women who are too different from my body type, no.”
- Give me a break. Anita is CONSTANTLY comparing herself favorably to everyone, and going on about it to no end. But Anita isn’t like those other silly girls, she is special. How many diatribes against tall blond and slender has this series featured? Plus, Anita never has to compare herself to anyone because her hangers-on will do it for her. However, Anita has clearly forgotten her judgment fest against Richard's would-be fiancee in Shutdown.
From behind me Nathaniel said, “Agreed.”
“How do we stop all the talking and get to the sex?” Jason asked.
- Note to LKH: Your readers are wondering this too. Not that the sex is any better, but talking it to death does not help.
- Again, Anita is more special than anyone else in the world. New bit of blame-someone-else backstory, I believe.
- Dear LKH: Why, if you’re so edgy, can you not use better description during sex? It’s okay to use grown up words like “cock”, “clitoris” and the like. especially in a scene like this. She’s not shy about using “fuck”, but then we go into constant references to “bodies” and “he was ready for me” and it just doesn’t work.
- I’m going to assume that she’s referring to Jason biting her on the clit. NONONONONO not sexy. Teeth might be okay in some other places, but NOT during oral sex on the female (at least, not me).
- Shook like a dog with a toy. Shook like a dog with a toy. NONONONONONONO NOT sexy.
- “Worried at me.” “Worried at me.” Again, NONONONONONO. This is just some super unsexy language for a sex scene.
- Also, if you have hand signals (and shirts – don’t forget the red shirts for ardeur food in earlier books) – you are spending way too much time on sex. Maybe because I’m not into BDSM, but LKH makes Anita’s entire life revolve around sex, and that just doesn’t work for me.
- If you read LKH, you knew “spilled” would be in there eventually. Also, in this one, she’s got her mouth on Jason’s pelvis, which doesn’t sound all that sexy. I’m picturing a remora.
- You knew this one was coming too – because it happens in pretty much every book, because she has a serious oral fixation.
- Pretty sure that this should not be news.
- If you have the bingo card, check off “tightened things low in my body”. Also, there’s been how much sex with an audience, and now she feels this? Plus, news flash: people like that position because it IS animalistic. It's called doggy-style for a reason.
- I will award a point for safe sex description.
- I get the “family of choice” idea (and practice it to some extent) but I just wouldn’t use “brother” or “sister” to describe someone I have sex with. It jars me out of the story.
- Nate has issues. Issues, subscriptions, racks at the library, and the archives are available on line. He is not the person who should be giving advice on healthy relationships, ever. I get that it probably fits with the truly fucked-up back story that LKH has given him, but what’s worse is that she makes him the “emotions” go-to guy.
- Enough with the commas, for the love of God. Ten commas. Holy run-on sentence! There are no spaces above because it is ALL one sentence.
- Good news: Cynric is not in this book. Also, despite the fact that Anita is still 30, Cynric is somehow now 19 (and legal, for all the haters).
- Yet another overused phrase for the bingo card.
- Only it’s always Anita’s issues…plus I don’t think JJ really HAS issues. She doesn’t want to have rough/BDSM sex with Jason, and she’s okay with him going elsewhere. Neither of them wants to be monogamous – so this is pretty much a non-issue, right? Other than this whole fixation that she has with everyone who is meeting someone's sexual needs being in a relationship.
- Even with these characters, this doesn’t make sense. Most people, when using the terms brother/sister are going to assume that there is NOT a sexual relationship. Brothers-in-arms and such.
- Also, JJ has sadly become the Exposition Girl.
- How does anyone have time to get to triple digits? Especially since Jason and JJ appear to have actual lives.
- Brownie point for admitting that she was super-judgmental about this earlier in the series.
- I’m not going back through the books to check the number on Anita.
“I don’t do a lot of bondage, but I don’t see strap-ons as bondage.”
“Po-tay-toe, po-tah-to,” I said.
She nodded. “One person’s sex is another person’s kink, I get that.”
“Also, Jade is so submissive that even if I had found a woman I was willing to let top me, it would never be her.”
- BDSM lecture time, because LKH is an expert authority on the subject.
Nathaniel hugged me. “I told you that you weren’t.”
“But you love me, and you’re not a girl.”
J.J. smiled. “No, you’re not being all stupid straight girl. You’re actually being very responsible and trying your best, which is a hell of a lot more than most lovers do.”
“Thanks.”
“You’re welcome. I would be honored to try to help you do oral sex with Jade, but how different are you and Jade on oral sex?”
- Once again, it’s all about Anita and how awesome she is…but she doesn’t realize it! So everyone has to tell her, repeatedly. And she gets the stamp of approval from the bisexual girl, so extra points.
- And this is proof of why Nate should not give ANYONE emotional advice. (Let’s just say it involved snuff films with were-creatures who couldn’t be killed…)
- When is she ever really at risk?
- Also, so now Anita is the king? Has anyone told Jean-Claude this?
- Again with the lipstick. How exactly is she kissing? Is she reapplying in between kisses?
- Yet another overused phrase for the bingo card. Plus, “go-faster stripe” is just stupid. I seriously want to toss whatever I'm reading when that one comes up. Luckily my Kindle has a padded case.
- Stereotypes ahoy!
- Actually, I’m starting to think maybe she has a lipstick fetish after reading this. (Nothing wrong with that, but she should acknowledge it rather than acting like we all get lipstick all over the place.)
- This is one of those places where I can figure out what she’s referring to, but use of a word indicating male sexual anatomy would fit well here.
- Or maybe just not wear lipstick. It’s pretty popular to go without.
- Once again, it’s all about Anita and how she’s not like those other women…
- Another phrase that should be killed with fire
- This whole seesaw between “I can’t take care of everyone’s needs” and “I can’t let anyone down” also gets old.
- I laughed about this, but also the fact that she thinks the stuff in her books WORKS.
- See above. And we all know that Anita is never concerned with bragging rights… right? Oh, wait…
- Given the track record with LKH and editing, I can’t decide if this is 1) a mistake (i.e., she was supposed to come up with something reasonable, like Nate’s safeword – see also the Merry book where the note “Insert here” was left instead of an inscription on something) or 2) if that’s the word she chose (which, considering she has used “stop” or NOT had a safeword, is possible), or 3) if it’s supposed to be that she’s so out of it she forgot the safeword.
- Yes, we all know how concerned Anita is with the emotional well-being of others. Where is all this ruthlessness we keep hearing about?
- LKH: Please, for the love of God, quit shilling for “therapy”.
- Also, you keep using this word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
- Oooh, look how uncooperative Jade is. It’s like she’s turning into a female Richard or something…
- Please shoot me now. Once again, Nathaniel is NOT the example of a healthy person or relationship. He's manipulative to the extreme.
- Also, everytime Anita refers to “working issues”, what she really means is “don’t cause me any problems”.
- Falling yellow water really doesn’t bring up all that great an image, LKH. Just saying…
- Bring him WHERE? Quit being so “special snowflake” and write “come”. "He came." I'm going to come"
- It strikes me that LKH often chooses passive language to describe sex, and it’s annoying. It goes right along with stuff like "his body was ready" or "he was ready". She takes all this pride in the edgy sexy stuff (that women can't write, or so she claims she was told) but then she pulls this stuff.
- Does anyone really think women taste like fish? I’ve heard cleanliness issues may lead to smelling like fish (and if we’re going to talk about sex and cleanliness issues, Anita lives in a big old glass house). I’m also having a hard time finding a man who thinks we taste like a steak. Unless maybe this is supposed to be a poorly described were thing?
- Words are her business, folks. Just remember that.
- Please quit with the “yay” thing. Kill it with fire.
- Because, of course, Anita’s boy-toys can’t be like normal guys. I’m also not buying this whole “get even longer” thing.
They had a long look between them, and it was Nathaniel who said, “We’re best friends, and you can’t be best friends if you’re fucking each other. It messes up the friendship.”
“Some couples are best friends,” she said.
“No,” Nathaniel said, “once you love each other like that, you can’t be true best friends.”
“Best friends are who you bitch to about your lovers,” Jason said. “Can’t do that if your best friend is your lover. It gets in the way.”
- This actually makes sense in Anita-land. I don't agree with it, but it makes sense.
“That’s different from mouth-fucking,” I said.
She looked puzzled.
“You really haven’t been with that many men, have you?”
“Not in a decade, and honestly, high school boys just didn’t interest me that much, except for Jason.”
“I’m not saying no to vigorous oral sex from Jason, but unless I’m in the right mood, mouth-fucking is sort of an endurance sport, and it might distract me enough that I will take a long time to go from oral myself.”
- All about Anita. Also, "to go" is right up there with characters being brought - it's stupid. If you don't want to use "come" (I personally prefer it over "cum", mostly because that looks like Letters from Penthouse), how about some other choices: get off? climax? have an orgasm?
She nodded.
“Gotta say it out loud, J.J., no misunderstandings.”
“If everyone is okay with it, I’d like to try”—she blushed harder, and then went pale—“having intercourse with Nathaniel.”
Jason grinned. “I’m okay with it.”
“Really?” she asked, looking up at him.
He nodded. “Really.”
“So we’re going to daisy-chain us all,” I said.
“Maybe, or maybe we’ll just break into couples again,” J.J. said. “But you with Nathaniel and me with Jason,” I said.
- Jason doesn’t strike me as a honeybunch and sweetums kind of guy, really.
- More negotiating during sex. What was she saying about erotic Jenga earlier? I get that in the BDSM "scene" there is some etiquette on the subject, but for me it just doesn't work. Although at least characters are consenting to sexual stuff, as opposed to other books in this series.
- That’s because the only comment that the men make about Anita in that area is how “wet and tight” she is. (This could also be due to the fact that the sex scenes are VERY male-oriented.) That's not an uncommon compliment.
- He came. He came, hot and liquid, across your breasts. This honestly sounds like some other bodily fluid was involved. See my diatribe above.
- If Anita is giving you advice, run. Just run.
“You’re usually the more the merrier,” I said.
“Only with people who work their issues. It would be great to find a woman to add to us. It would make most of the other men incredibly happy, but Jade isn’t the woman to help make us all happier.”
- There Nate goes, trying to keep Anita in his control. I agree that she doesn’t have time, but let’s face it – does Anita really work emotional issues with those three either? No, “I love you mostest” does not count. (Funny note: AC tried to give me “moistest”, probably because this is about Anita.)
I cuddled Nathaniel’s arms around me tighter.
- Love how Nate is stressing “we”, not “you” or “Anita”.
“Did you hear what you said, just now?” J.J. asked. I looked at her.
“I said I was breaking up with Jade.”
“No, you said you ‘get to’ break up with her. That implies you don’t really want to have sex with her, let alone date her.”
- Let’s all make Anita feel better about something she should have done some time ago, really.
No ardeur.
No Richard.
No Micah.
No Cynric.
No Jean-Claude.
No references to "creamy goodness" or other references to Anita's impossible anatomy (muscular but dainty, not weigh very much but have a EEE rack).
No super-detailed descriptions of BAD clothing.
No pissing contests with law enforcement types.
No pretense at plot.
But it still wasn't good.
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Date: 2014-12-06 05:41 am (UTC)"Oh you should just learn to be more laid back and ready for it like MOST women."
"You know how most women assess who is the most beautiful in the room?" No, LKH, I don't. Maybe I'm really a man.
"we all think if you maybe had more experience with women, or could talk to someone about having female lovers, you might be able to help Jade feel more a part of things." YOU SHOULD have sex with women because WE the polylovers say so. We don't actually care if you're into it or not. Like the rough sex JJ or Envy or whoever it is was complaining about, it's something you SHOULD learn to like otherwise you're hurting everybody else. Your own desires do not enter into this.
God, this is all so rapey.
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Date: 2014-12-06 05:56 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-12-06 07:04 am (UTC)Also, Anita breaks up with the sole female harem member. Why am I not surprised?
(I know there's so much more to comment upon, but that just jumps out at me. No matter how ~accepting~ Anita claims to be, she's homophobic as hell. I'm only surprised it took her this long.)
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"Jade doesn’t help enough, and she needs too much emotional hand holding without giving enough in return.”"
AHAHAHA RIGHT. And it's not like Anita took an ENTIRE HAREM of yes-men to help her work out her issues, in return for... tightwettightness, shooting people, and bitching at them.
"The difference was that Nathaniel had been willing to work his shit, to try to get better, but Jade wouldn’t help herself get better. She just wanted to cling to me, and to Domino to a much lesser extent, and be afraid."
Nathaniel was NOT willing to ~work his shit~. He still hasn't. The difference is that Anita likes penises and not vulvas, and she judges worth entirely by fucks. If you don't give her fucks, she doesn't give any fucks for you.
It just pisses me off that Anita's so damn homophobic. She cockblocks and bashes men who prefer men to women, and she gets clearly grossed out by a woman who *gasp* dares to prefer women to men. Moreover, one who even has Anita's precious ~sexual trauma~ excuse to justify her orientation... because you need justification to not worship the Almighty Dick in Anitaverse. (Except if you're male, where you may edgily like yaoi kisses and off-camera buggery, but you must always love the Doomcrotch most of all.)
@#$%.
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Date: 2014-12-06 07:43 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-12-06 07:44 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-12-06 12:52 pm (UTC)Meanwhile, the faces I'm making while reading these excerpts. Last time I checked, "groin" and "genitals" were not interchangeable words and I'm starting to really hate LKH doing just that. And omg HDU Yiyu want to talk about the relationship that she's in or try to spend some time with Anita, clearly she's going about this all wrong and Anita has NO TIME FOR THIS BUSINESS when she could be having sex with men. It's like Yiyu has wants and needs but who cares because they keep interfering with Anita's life. And Nathaniel being a creepy enabler/manipulator just makes my skin crawl.
Also LKH needs to step off the food descriptions. Not just to spare us the whole agonising fudge ripple mangled metaphors, but because I'm stuck here thinking more about what kind of hinky seafood she's had or if maybe someone needs to go to a doctor...? I'm pretty sure I shouldn't be fixating on that sort of thing. Though I will give this as a step up from Anita's vagina being described as tasting like "like meat and that fresh taste, almost like rain."
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Date: 2014-12-06 01:39 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-12-06 04:58 pm (UTC)ANITA UNIRONICALLY CALLS HER LOVE WITH HER GUYS A SPECIAL SNOWFLAKE OMFG
" “He didn’t have time to see Envy, date the new mundane chick, and fit BDSM booty calls into his schedule" New mundane chick. Nice. And "mundanes" is not a term for non-magical humans in the ABverse so no she's really just calling her that
"“Jason is my best friend, Anita is the woman I love most in the world, Micah is the man, Jean-Claude is our master and him taking blood as foreplay with all of us in the bed is amazing, Asher is my dominant for bondage and sometimes for rough sex, Cynric is the little brother I never had, Nicky is brother and friend and I’m learning to really enjoy co-topping Anita with him, Dev is completely comfortable with his bisexuality, and that’s nice just to have someone else who feels the same way, and I’ll leave out everyone who doesn’t have some sexual connotation for me, but there are friends and family who I’ll never get naked with that are important to me and help make my life work.” I AM MAINLY LEAVING THEM OUT BECAUSE LKH NEVER MADE THEM UP BECAUSE FUCK ANYONE UR NOT ACTUALLY FUCKING
Funny, I hadn’t thought he had that typical male fantasy of two women and him; just goes to prove that bisexual doesn’t mean not guy, just a different kind of guy.<--i dont even
Jade wasn’t ready to deal with her past. She was so broken, but that wasn’t the problem; Nathaniel had been broken when I met him. The difference was that Nathaniel had been willing to work his shit, to try to get better, but Jade wouldn’t help herself get better. She just wanted to cling to me, and to Domino to a much lesser extent, and be afraid. If I’d been in love with her I’d have been more patient, but I so wasn’t in love with her, as I crawled over the bed to dry her tears. I fought to keep my feelings off my face. <---WOW, I JUST...WOW. Also, what, so I have to in love with someone to care they've been hurt and understand that getting the strength to even START trying to work through it can take YEARS? And that's for real-world abuse, not shit that lasted CENTURIES
She was well and truly gone to her happy place. Yay, fucking, yay! <--VERY EROTIC LANGUAGE seriously you can't arouse any reader like that, I'm pretty sure
BTW ANITA IS BETTER THAN ALL OTHER WOMEN IN EVERY WAY
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Date: 2014-12-06 04:59 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-12-06 05:04 pm (UTC)I think Jade's getting booted not so much out of homophobia (though Anita is HELLA homophobic, make no mistake, I'm not arguing that) so much as LKH doesn't find it sexy to write about two women. She may have a woman or two in her life/bed now IRL and maybe she thought that meant she liked women IN GENERAL enough to enjoy writing girl-on-girl the way she clearly enjoys writing Anita with guys (badly though she does it) but she found it did nothing for her on paper. And since all of Anita's relationships are based on sex and nothing else, out Jade goes!
What I'm seeing more of is misogyny and double-standards. If Jade had been a guy, her neediness and trauma would have been seen as bonus points, and Anita would have LOVED her dependency.
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Date: 2014-12-06 05:09 pm (UTC)But we all knew LKH knew nothing about vaginas, given how she writes Anita's.
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Date: 2014-12-06 06:00 pm (UTC)And btw, when the hell did Jason join the biggest dick in the world contest?
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Date: 2014-12-06 06:36 pm (UTC)Also, Anita talks like a 13 year old girl. It throws me out of the story every time she spouts a 'yay' or 'favoritest' or talks like a lolcat. It just doesn't jibe with her bad ass, vampire killing, US Marshal depiction. Avoiding words for genitals is part of this. To me, even phrasing things like 'ate her out' instead of describing the act sounds too crude for the way she writes. She really needs a course on how to write actual erotica.
So much talk. I'd be thoroughly turned off if someone I was about to sleep with had to nail everything out prior to getting down. LKH needs to work on 'show, don't tell'. I think some of it is LKH thinking her readers are stupid, and cannot visualize a scene unless she spells out exactly who's going to be doing what to whom and what that signifies in their relationship, etc. This applies to all the lipstick logistics as well.
I miss jeans-and-Nikes!Anita too.
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Date: 2014-12-06 09:54 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-12-06 09:58 pm (UTC)And yes. She just doesn't find needy WOMEN sexy, only needy men.
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Date: 2014-12-06 10:01 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2014-12-06 11:48 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-12-07 12:27 am (UTC)I was weirded out by her insistence on using the term "boys" - not guys, not men, but boys. Repeatedly.
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Date: 2014-12-07 02:58 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-12-07 08:18 am (UTC)Yeah, Shutdown was an entire ONESHOT'S worth of that. Which is why it's so absurd that poor Jade, who has literally been ABUSED FOR CENTURIES, is getting less comfort over that than Anita does over her grandmother telling her that she wasn't pretty.
I really feel sorry for Jade.
What I'm seeing more of is misogyny and double-standards. If Jade had been a guy, her neediness and trauma would have been seen as bonus points, and Anita would have LOVED her dependency.
EXACTLY. :X
I think Jade's getting booted not so much out of homophobia (though Anita is HELLA homophobic, make no mistake, I'm not arguing that) so much as LKH doesn't find it sexy to write about two women. She may have a woman or two in her life/bed now IRL and maybe she thought that meant she liked women IN GENERAL enough to enjoy writing girl-on-girl the way she clearly enjoys writing Anita with guys (badly though she does it) but she found it did nothing for her on paper. And since all of Anita's relationships are based on sex and nothing else, out Jade goes!
Huh. Good point. It is pretty strange that she can't think of ANY OTHER analogy for going down on a woman than "It's like sucking off a guy, only different!". Even her f/f porn is male-centric. :X
Lending credence to that:
Maybe my biggest trouble with Jade wasn’t that she was female, but that she was so uncertain, so that I always had to persuade, do all the planning, and just court her in a way that the men normally courted me.
A thing here that strikes me about Anita: she really likes the ABSTRACT fantasy about being Just Like A Guy, but in practice... she seems to really despise any part of it aside from being an abusive, aggressive @#$%. She doesn't enjoy dominance in the long term, she doesn't enjoy power for its own sake*, and she doesn't enjoy courting anyone. Her ACTUAL desire seems to be to submit, to not be responsible for anything, and to have powerful men take care of her and her every need.
*(I'm serious. She enjoys showing off power, she enjoys abusing people, and she enjoys being flattered. But she has no positive reaction to just HAVING the power and being able to do things with it. If anything, it seems to gross her out and make her complain unless she can use it to make someone hurt, and even then the rush dies down immediately afterwards. And "hurt" isn't even the right word - pain doesn't excite her, HARMING someone and traumatizing them excites her.)
If I had to peg Anita as ANYTHING, despite what she says about being ~dominant~ and ~never really bottoming even when she bottoms~, she's a deeply, deeply self-hating submissive with extreme emotional underdevelopment and an abuse fetish. It's actually self-sabotaging that she uses "submissiveness" and "dominance" as an excuse for her abusive behavior - as "dominant" = "superior" and "submissive" = "inferior" in her framework, she can't POSSIBLY admit that submission makes her happy as anything other than an extremely situational fetish.
I really think the character would be a lot more well-balanced if she dropped her fantasy fetish view of the world, admitted that submission to certain people =/= MUST SUBMIT TO EVERYONE EVER, and decided to be strong-willed and hard-charging AND ALSO let herself unwind under the dominance of people of her choosing. But no - in order for her to admit to it AT ALL, it has to be ringed around with excuses, ornate dressing-up about Inherently Blah-Blah-Blah, and everything possible to prevent her from saying 'I like this, and it does not make me less of a person and unworthy of respect'.
Goodness knows she does enough that makes her unworthy of respect, but that seems to escape her narcissistic headspace...
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Date: 2014-12-07 08:22 am (UTC)Hell, even when she "takes care of" traumatized guys, we get a lot of gender essentialism and he ends up taking care of her/dominating her anyway. Just look at Nathaniel the Creep. But with her gender essentialism, she finally got to try out Being The Guy... and found it wasn't at all to her liking. Jade didn't dominate her, have that dark look in her eye that all men have when they stub their toe (or whatnot), or coddle HER emotional issues. Jade just wanted to be taken care of and work on their relationship. A nice, needy-for-damned-good-reasons woman. But a woman.
Anita didn't like that AT ALL.
EDIT: *But a woman - AND not an Anitaverse Male, who would plow Anita with a massive dong, accept every conversation about his issues turning into an exposition of her wangst, and be one of her many caretakers.
“No, honestly, because I see having someone use a strap-on as a dominant bondage thing, more than sex, and I don’t bottom to women.” That last was said in a tone that was very final. It was one of the few things I was sure of.
Also, WHAT THE FUCK? How is a strap-on a "dominant bondage thing"? O_o Where's the bondage, even?!
...So Anita views dongs as "dominant bondage"? I mean, it's kind of implied. The character's head gets weirder and weirder the more she talks about her views...
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Date: 2014-12-07 08:32 am (UTC)I think it could be hot, but... it would have to be better-written. And there's no enthusiasm here. They discuss their activities like they're discussing income-tax returns. :X
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Date: 2014-12-07 08:32 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-12-07 06:19 pm (UTC)I read it more as LKH still being bitter about her ex, and wanting him to be super jealous of her new life. I also note the implication that everything wrong with their relationship was *his* fault.
Envy is all about telling it like it is. Their dynamic is severely fucked up.
Yeah, but you just know that was intended to come off as her just not understaaaanding how great and awesome and better-than-everyone-else's relationship their's is.
Again, this plot is supposed to be about Jason, but as usual it’s all about Anita.
Of course it is. Everything in these books is about Anita.
I fought the urge not to squirm, because I had issues with Cynric. Sin was what he wanted to be called, not Rick.
I have two issues with this:
1) I refuse to accept that name not being pronounced with a hard-K sound. It's the name of the second king of Wessex, and literally means "kin-ruler" in Old English.
2) A character wanting to be called "Sin" sounds so very juvenile to me. As in "My name is Harry, but everyone calls me 'Vampire'," only without the possibility of it being a parody. Not that it's keeping me from laughing anyway.
Also, despite the fact that Anita is still 30, Cynric is somehow now 19
Of course she is. Because Anita, being LKH's self-insert, can never be allowed to age beyond a certain point, because then she'd have to deal with certain real world problems that come with getting older. And just like a certain other author of a popular book series with an obvious self-insert as the main character, LKH is likely terrified of getting old, and therefore no longer being sexy. Hence her insistence on people still finding her incredibly attractive.
re: the non-sexy terminology: I've said it before, and I'll say it again - despite all her "edginess" and claims to the contrary, LKH is a huge prude.
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Date: 2014-12-23 03:28 am (UTC)